You know, this raises another interesting bit of classic bike trivia. When Stronglight switched to 22mm extractor thread circa 1982, did they switch to 15mm bolts also? I have several 22mm Stronglight cranks, but did not buy any of them with the original BB.
Regards,
Jerry Moos
Jerry & Liz Moos wrote:
> Actually, the Stronglight works fine, though it is a very snug fit, checked it
> again just now on the Zeus road bike I bought from Dave Martinez last year. I
> have several bikes with Zeus cranks, and I've never owned a Zeus crank bolt tool.
> One definitely needs some special tool, though - the typical 16mm ratchet socket
> will be too thick. Zeus probably should have used 15mm bolts, since they had the
> smaller Campy-type 22mm extractor thread. But it's partly these flakey design
> details that ad mystic to old marques, like old Allegros that use French threaded
> steerers but 22.2mm stems.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
>
> Joseph Bender-Zanoni wrote:
>
> > I remember the Stronglight toool as being a marginal fit to remove the Zeus
> > bolt because the remover threads are a smaller diameter on the Zeus. The
> > Stronglight tool just barely engages the top of the Zeus boltI have only
> > seen the Zeus tool once and it has a very thin wall. Kind of dopy really.
> >
> > Joe "Wish I had more Zeus" Bender-Zanoni
> > At 09:19 PM 1/20/01 -0500, Jerry & Liz Moos wrote:
> > >Actually, BC, I'm cool, since, as a true Francophile, I have several
> > Stronglight
> > >crank extractors, the lever arm of which was also a 16mm crank bolt wrench.
> > >(Non French folks may not understand this, but they must trust me on this).
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Jerry "Zeus, like rock & roll, will never die" Moos
> > >
> > >renaissance-cycles wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hey Jerry!
> > >>
> > >> Is the 16 mm hard to remove because you might not be using a 16 mm
> > >> crank-bolt
> > >> wrench but a 16 mm socket?............If so, and if you might be in need of
> > >> a ''Zeus''
> > >> 16 mm crank-bolt tool!..I know where I can get a ''NEW'' one for you, just
> > >> not sure
> > >> on the price!...Anybody else, let me know?!?
> > >>
> > >> Sorry Dale! I know I'm over the ''line'' with the pricing of this
> > >> tool........I just don't
> > >> have a......clue....on my suppliers price, been looking at them for the
> > last
> > >> year!!!
> > >>
> > >> BC, Baron Corpuz.......Buying up Europe!!
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: Jerry & Liz Moos <moos@penn.com>
> > >> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 12:42 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [CR]Zeus Crank ID...?
> > >>
> > >> > Sorry, the cranks bolts are 16 mm, not 116, 16 is already hard enough to
> > >> remove at
> > >> > times.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> >
> > >> > Jerry Moos
> > >> >
> > >> > Jerry & Liz Moos wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > So Brad, care to speculate where our mysterious Cosmos gruppo fits into
> > >> the
> > >> > > picture? Crank profile is more rounded than old Criterium, but less so
> > >> than New
> > >> > > Racer, one long single-level flute like Criterium. Arms are polished
> > >> but rings
> > >> > > more satin. Rings are not drilled and have webbing like later "aero"
> > >> cranks.
> > >> > > Logo on arms is the "Z", but enclosed in a circle that says "Zeus
> > >> Spain". The
> > >> > > BB spindle is chromed steel and says "Zeus 114-55", the calipers
> > verify
> > >> the
> > >> > > 114mm length. The crank bolts are chromed "Zeus Spain" and are the
> > >> classic Zeus
> > >> > > 116mm, which Zeus had in common with Stronglight. Ever seen this
> > stuff?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Regards,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Jerry Moos
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Stockwell, Brad wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > To All:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Holy Cow! I recently got back from vacation and have noted that
> > >> > > > apparently there is a post-millenial Zeus 'Anschluss' in progress -
> > >> there's
> > >> > > > been tons of stuff on Ebay and elsewhere lately and I've been going
> > >> nuts!
> > >> > > > There is no more room in my garage! There is no more money in my
> > >> pocket!
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > REGARDING IDENTIFICATION OF ZEUS CRANKS:
> > >> > > > From about '74 to '79, all Zeus crankarms have the same shape. If
> > >> you
> > >> > > > check the Zeus parts page on 'le Rendezvous', the photo of the crank
> > >> with
> > >> > > > the reddish background (below the photo of the hubs) is from the 1977
> > >> Zeus
> > >> > > > 103 catalog and although this photo particularly depicts the 2000
> > >> model, it
> > >> > > > shows the generic topology.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Starting with this image, you get yourself a Criterium crank by
> > >> deleting
> > >> > > > the slots in the arms, the holes in the rings, and the black coating
> > >> on the
> > >> > > > chainring bolts. From there, you get you a Gran Sport crank by
> > >> deleting the
> > >> > > > milling in the spider arms, using a softer grade of aluminum, and
> > >> replacing
> > >> > > > the Zeus-in-an-oval logo with the older Zeus-world logo.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > In a manner which mimics Campy, 1977's Gran Sport crank is twins
> > >> with
> > >> > > > 1971's Criterium.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > There were at least 5 versions of the 2000 crank. The early one
> > >> (version
> > >> > > > 1, I don't know when it premiered but It was before I joined the
> > party
> > >> in
> > >> > > > '75) had 3 equal-length slots milled all-the-way-through the arms. A
> > >> later
> > >> > > > one (v2) had 3 through-slots which tapered in length (shortest one at
> > >> the
> > >> > > > pedal end). By '77 (v3), Zeus had stopped putting the slots all the
> > >> way
> > >> > > > through, despite the fact that the picture in the 103 catalog still
> > >> showed
> > >> > > > them. By '79 the Zeus 104 catalog showed the design pictured in the
> > >> second
> > >> > > > crank photo on the Zeus Rendesvous parts page (with the 'sand'
> > colored
> > >> > > > background - I call this version 5). In this model the rings are
> > >> beefier,
> > >> > > > the arms have a different aspect ratio, and look! We've changed the
> > >> logo
> > >> > > > again! In '78 there was a hybrid (v4) that had the '79-style
> > rings on
> > >> the
> > >> > > > '77-style arms.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Circa '80, there was a 'Supercronos' crank which was the Criterium
> > >> arms
> > >> > > > with the 2000 rings. (There was an early Supercronos parts group
> > which
> > >> was a
> > >> > > > cocktail of criterium parts mixed with the flashier 2000 derailleurs
> > >> and
> > >> > > > chainrings, and the 2001 sidepulls.)
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > After '80, the criterium crank had the beefier rings mentioned
> > above
> > >> but
> > >> > > > without the holes.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Sometime before '86 Zeus changed the arm design to get the
> > >> 'Aero-look' in
> > >> > > > the new Supercronos and New Racer (think updated Gran sport) cranks.
> > >> The
> > >> > > > aero crank style is shown in the New Racer ad at the bottom of the
> > >> Zeus
> > >> > > > Rendesvous parts page. The Supercronos had drilled rings, the New
> > >> Racer
> > >> > > > didn't. The Supercronos arms can be distinguished from the New Racer
> > >> arms
> > >> > > > by checking out the finish: if it's satiny anodization, it's
> > >> Supercronos; if
> > >> > > > it's shiny polished aluminum, it's New Racer.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > All the '70's cranks used a 118mm spindle (like stronglight) and to
> > >> the
> > >> > > > best of my measurement ability have 119mm chainring bolt circle
> > >> diameters.
> > >> > > > I suspect that some people call it 120mm because they distrusted
> > their
> > >> > > > senses and picked the closest round number. In '79, the titanium in
> > >> the
> > >> > > > 2000 BB (and elsewhere in the 2000 series) was replaced with another
> > >> metal
> > >> > > > referred to as Titanox, which I can now confirm is magnetic (via
> > >> testing
> > >> > > > with 28MGO Samarium Cobalt) and I'll guess that it is some form of
> > >> stainless
> > >> > > > steel since it is uncoated.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > The later cranks use a 110 spindle with the same 55mm flange
> > spacing
> > >> and
> > >> > > > cups as the 70's models.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Brad Stockwell
> > >> > > > Palo Alto (year 2000 final tally: 6210 bike miles - only about a
> > >> factor
> > >> > > > of 3 less than Lance!)
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > > From: Harvey M Sachs [mailto:sachs@erols.com]
> > >> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 6:58 AM
> > >> > > > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > >> > > > Subject: [CR]Zeus Crank ID...?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Lads & Lassies -
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I'm trying to identify a Zeus Crank set (so I can
> > sell
> > >> or
> > >> > > > trade it).
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Classic-looking 5-arm, with Zeus-pattern bolt circle
> > >> > > > (slightly smaller than
> > >> > > > Campy).
> > >> > > > Arm looks like Criterium at
> > >> > > > http://www.cyclesdeoro.com/
> > >> > > > but forged arms, not a 5-pin adapter as shown. Arm
> > >> has
> > >> > > > groove and slight
> > >> > > > elevation for the pedal hole, as shown there.
> > >> > > > No metal-worming (drilling) on the rings.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Definitely NOT New Racer chainrings as shown in
> > >> > > > http://www.cyclesdeoro.com/
> > >> like
> > >> > > > the 2000 rings.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > (Gee, thanks, Dale, for the wonderful photo albums
> > >> that give
> > >> > > > us reference
> > >> > > > instead of just trying to drool words).
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Harvey Sachs
> > >> > > >
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