Hi from Pete! Being new to Classicrendezvous, I can't help being slightly mistified as, coming from England, my interpretation of classic lightweights tends to be different from you guys in the States. I would see our lightweight era as being from the late 1930's to the end of the 1950's. So obviously, I have a lot to learn about 1970's and 1980's equipment! My interests are quite varied as my oldest bike is a mid 1890's racer up to a 1990 Alan. I also have a 1949 MacLean fitted with sturmey FC and a 1939 pure track Claud Butler with all the correct equipment (Chater Lea, pre-war Airlights and wooden rims). I have also a 1907 Royal Enfield girder road racer. My other interests in the cycle line are shop displays and signs and quite a useful library of wholesale catalogues and sales brochures, ranging from 1900 to 1980. I hope to meet some of you soon, as I am travelling out to the States to attend the Copake swap meet. All the best, Pete
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> 1. Re: Ambrosio stems became TTT sometime in the mid 1960s. (Chuck Schmidt)
> 2. More Parts for sale (cyncrest@cs.com)
> 3. Parts for sale - 013101 (Jason Cloutier)
> 4. Westminster swap meet this weekend! (Roy H. Drinkwater)
> 5. decals (Russell roth)
> 6. Re: Bio-Pace (Neale Green)
> 7. Re: Westminster swap meet this weekend! (abikie@aol.com)
> 8. Re: Legnano "lime-green" paint (Donald Dundee)
> 9. RE: Westminster swap meet this weekend! (Bingham, Wayne)
> 10. Test (Donald Dundee)
> 11. pic of Schotte/Girardengo/Lygie (Aldo Ross)
> 12. Re: decals (Donald Dundee)
> 13. RE: Picture of Ideor Asso (Jim Cunningham)
> 14. Re: pic of Schotte/Girardengo/Lygie (Aldo Ross)
> 15. Ambrosio and TTT (Aldo Ross)
> 16. Re: Test (tw406@aol.com)
> 17. Re: Ambrosio and TTT (Aldo Ross)
> 18. This one takes the cake (ebbikes@aol.com)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:46:46 -0800
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Re: Ambrosio stems became TTT sometime in the mid 1960s.
>
> This article and many others on vintage components are reproduced in:
>
> Joe Kossak, A Tribute -- 68 pages, Technical Editor of long gone Bike
> World magazine, Joe Kossak wrote a series of articles on components that
> gave a historical overview and covered the parts that were popular in
> the 1970s; very helpful for restorations. Also a small, mid-70s
> paperback _Frames_ on the historical development of bicycle frames, some
> builders in the U.S. (Art Stump, Don Milberger, Tom Ritchey, Colin
> Laing, and Ritchie Sachs among others) and the early days of aluminum,
> carbon, and titanium frame development. Color cover. $12
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, California
> http://www.velo-retro.com (list of reprints)
>
> swampmtn wrote:
> >
> > Mike, Dave, et al,
> >
> > Here's more info on Ambrosio - TTT
> >
> > (from "All About Components, Part 3", Bike World magazine, August 1973)
> >
> > "A current fad is for stems to pull tight with an allen key fitting at the
> > top of the expander drawbolt, instead of a regular hexbolt. These usually
> > fit 7mm hex key wrench. T.T.T. began this trend about 10 years ago (the
> > company was known as Ambrosio then), with their "Gran Prix" model."
> >
> > and
> >
> > "The two most popular makes of alloy handlebars among present racers are
> > Cinelli and T.T.T. (also sold as Ambrosio)."
> >
> > Stem models available included Gran Prix, Record (very similar to Cinelli
> > 1A), and Adjustable.
> >
> > This answers a few questions... the company "TTT" of 1973 was known as
> > "Ambrosio" 10 years earlier (1963), and "TTT" stems and bars were also sold
> > as "Ambrosio" as late as 1973.
> >
> > By 1978 the I-Pro catelogue only lists TTT "Record" stems, a close design to
> > the Cinelli 1A.
> >
> > Anyone else have further info?
> >
> > Aldo Ross
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> From: Cyncrest@cs.com
> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:53:32 EST
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]More Parts for sale
>
> CR's,
> 1 Pair of decent Chrome Lyotard B TE S.G.D.G. Pedals for your UO-8
> project
> $10.00
>
> 2 circa 1960's Bottle Cages ( steel chromed with frt spring) came
> off a 69 PX-10
> 1 kinda rusty $5, and the other spring broke ,
> painted flat black
> both could be re-plated.
>
> 1 Stem Alloy ATAX $7.00 circa 70's
>
> 1 Stem Alloy SR $6.50 circa 70's
>
> You pay shipping , I will box it for free.
> Paul G
>
> Riverside, CA
>
> or for the CAil guys if your @ the Palm Springs Tour DE ride I will deliver
> on SAT
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:14:39 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jason Cloutier <velo59@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Parts for sale - 013101
>
> To all,
>
> Here's today's list. I know some of you are staying
> up late to see this. ;-)
>
> 1. BOD - box-o-derailleurs, containing incomplete
> Campagnolo front and rear mechs. Includes partial
> Nouvo Sport (no cage, etc.), partial Nuovo Gran Sport
> (no pulleys), an experimental NR (somebody did a drill
> press experiment on this one), a couple
> Triomphe/Victory style bodies, one modern (index)
> body, a couple fronts (also incomplete). $30 for the
> box.
>
> 2. Campag 980 front and rear mechs. Appear to be NOS
> and shopworn, but not badly. $30.
>
> 3. OMAS hubs - front 24h, front 28h, rear 32h. All
> three NOS and shopworn, but not badly. Two have OMAS
> curved handle skewers, third has a Campag straight
> handle skewer with an aluminum nut. $75 for the set
> of three.
>
> 4. Balilla hooded levers - from a bike boom beater,
> but the rubber hoods are in good shape. These are
> really only worth buying for the hoods, as the levers
> are oxidized and bent. $10 for the hoods, levers are
> free when you buy the hoods.
>
> 5. Pino BB - 113mm spindle, lightweight aluminum
> shell threaded the entire length, so it appears that
> you don't need frame threads to use this. Aluminum
> lockrings. NOS, bag markings say 1.37x24 Road. $50.
>
> Shipping is extra and charged at actual rate. PayPal,
> cash, checks, money order all work. Sorry, no swaps.
> Wife has threatened to call a junk dealer to "help" me
> eliminate the inventory. Your help is desparately
> needed.
>
> Regards,
> Jason Cloutier
> Pawtucket, RI
> velo59@yahoo.com
>
> This message is being sent at 10:15PM EST.
> --- Cyncrest@cs.com wrote:
> > CR's,
> > 1 Pair of decent Chrome Lyotard B TE
> > S.G.D.G. Pedals for your UO-8
> > project
> > $10.00
> >
> > 2 circa 1960's Bottle Cages ( steel chromed
> > with frt spring) came
> > off a 69 PX-10
> > 1 kinda rusty $5, and
> > the other spring broke ,
> > painted flat black
> > both could be
> > re-plated.
> >
> > 1 Stem Alloy ATAX $7.00 circa 70's
> >
> > 1 Stem Alloy SR $6.50 circa 70's
> >
> >
> > You pay shipping , I will box it for free.
> >
> > Paul G
> >
> >
> > Riverside, CA
> >
> > or for the CAil guys if your @ the Palm Springs
> > Tour DE ride I will deliver
> > on SAT
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:28:54 -0500
> From: "Roy H. Drinkwater" <roydrink@mac.com>
> To: classic list <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Westminster swap meet this weekend!
>
> Hi guys:
>
> Haven't heard anything about this recently, until I happened to stop in
> at a bike shop yesterday. The Westminster meet is this Sunday...I almost
> forgot! Who's going to be there? Larry? Curtis? anybody else? I'm trying
> to get a couple of guys together to ride down from central PA. If you're
> interested let me know.
>
> Roy H. Drinkwater
> Lititz, PA
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:49:52 -0800 (PST)
> From: Russell roth <fuzzybunnies@pot.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Reply-To: fuzzybunnies@pot.com
> Subject: [CR]decals
>
> I was wondering if anyone can tell me how to reproduce decals. I have decals for a raleigh international and would like to produce copies for any additional projects that pop up in the future, like hopefully a pro frame. The set I have is designed to do a pro, international or comp GS as it has all three frame names but only enough of the rest of the decals to do one frame. I believe they're water transfers since after you apply a sticker the front paper won't come off unless you apply lots of water. Anyone done this before?. Thanx in advance. -Russell
>
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> Message: 6
> From: "Neale Green" <neale@neale.org>
> To: "Russell Mowat" <russell.mowat@virgin.net>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Bio-Pace
> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:28:37 +1100
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Russell Mowat" <russell.mowat@virgin.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 8:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Bio-Pace
>
> > The timing of this topic is most coincidental. I rode my 1966 Flying Scot
> > for the first time on Sunday, built up with the best of the junk which was
> > lying about the garage. The chainset I used was a Bio-Pace, the first
> time
> > I had ever ridden it. I found it very comfortable to ride and managed
> some
> > fairly steep climbs with the limited range of gears on the bike without
> any
> > difficulty. I have never weighed the chainset but I presume that with
> steel
> > rings it will be quite heavy. Were these available with alloy rings?
> >
> > Russell Mowat
>
> Hi Russell,
>
> Yes, Bio-pace were made in alloy in the early to mid-90's, at least.
>
> I have an alloy 28/38/48 set that I pulled off a 110/74 Derore crankset
> that's waiting to go on a friend's bike (she's been using Biopace primarily
> for at least 7-8 years, and has worn her old steel chainrings enough that
> it's STARTING to show).
>
> Regards,
>
> Neale
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> From: ABikie@aol.com
> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 07:38:06 EST
> Subject: Re: [CR]Westminster swap meet this weekend!
> To: roydrink@mac.com, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> In a message dated 1/31/01 7:30:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, roydrink@mac.com
> writes:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi guys:
> >
> > Haven't heard anything about this recently, until I happened to stop in
> > at a bike shop yesterday. The Westminster meet is this Sunday...I almost
> > forgot! Who's going to be there? Larry? Curtis? anybody else? I'm trying
> > to get a couple of guys together to ride down from central PA. If you're
> > interested let me know.
> >
> >
>
> We will be there
> Hopefully they have us in the main place
> after receiving our booth payment on time, we got a call saying there was
> space waaaaaay in thr corner of the annex room on other side of the toilets.
> So if you per chance became disoriented after using the facility, and turned
> the wrong way upon leavinjg, you might see us.
>
> We will have a few items for show and tell, just a few, but not selling.
> Our history show tends to get diluted with all the excitement of the bargains.
> Look for a surprise from us, and bring a snack to share.
> We have the bowls, drinks, and napkins
>
> Larry
> College Park Bicycle
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> From: "Donald Dundee" <rebour@hotmail.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Legnano "lime-green" paint
> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 09:04:06 -0500
>
> Hi All.
>
> I hope everyone has checked out the Feb 2001 issue of Cycle Sport. If you
> havent, there is a great article called "Classic Classics' that covers the
> Top 10 Classic races of all time (in their opinion). Great shots, such as:
>
> -A three man breakaway in the 1980 Tour of Flanders of Jan Raas
> (Netherlands), Francesco Moser (Italy) and Michel Pollentier (France).
> Of course, Pollentier was a patsy in this race, and DeVlaminck actually
> attacked and finished 3rd. Great pix of SR Groups and large ring hammering.
> Nice team Raleigh Pro of Raas.
>
> -A Great close up of Bauer and Planckert in the final sprint of the 1990
> Paris-Roubaix. Love that Team 7-11 Stuff.
>
> -Coppi in the '46 Milan San Remo (la Primavera). He looks so at ease.
>
> -Merckx on board a nifty Masi Special in the '69 Tour of Flanders.
>
> -The '52 Paris-Roubaix finish. Great story of Van Steenbergen's win in the
> final sprint over an exhausted Coppi. Notice the cool Titan drop-stem on van
> SteenBergen's bike, sans water bottles - obviously chucked after the last
> drop.
>
> Then there's the great story on "Mr. Paris Roubaix" - Roger deVlaminck and
> his years with Flandria, Brooklyn and Gis.
>
> The photo spread of Eric Zabel's Team Pinarello on page 26 is real
> eye-candy. What wonderful details on this bike - how about the carbon
> chainstay-to-seat-lug detail, or the hollow headbadge that reveals the
> steerer. Not to mention the rear dropout detail;. This bike is a high point
> in evolution of the species, IMHO. Yes, there is good design in new, welded
> aluminum/carbon fiber frames.
>
> Hope you can check it out.
>
> ken denny
> Boston
>
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> Message: 9
> From: "Bingham, Wayne" <WBINGHAM@imf.org>
> To: classic list <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]Westminster swap meet this weekend!
> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:55:15 -0500
>
> Hello all -
>
> I will be at the Westminster Swap this Sunday. I have a table reserved, but
> don't really plan on taking too much stuff with me, mostly because I'm just
> not organized for it at the moment. For more information and directions, go
> here:
>
> http://www.rpmcycling.com/
>
> Or just visit rpmcycling.com and look under "events". Doors open at 9:00,
> admission is $3. Sellers set up from 6:00 to 9:00. I'll bring along my
> digital camera, so stop by for a group shot.
>
> Come on down!
>
> Wayne Bingham
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roy H. Drinkwater [mailto:roydrink@mac.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 10:29 PM
> To: classic list
> Subject: [CR]Westminster swap meet this weekend!
>
> Hi guys:
>
> Haven't heard anything about this recently, until I happened to stop in
> at a bike shop yesterday. The Westminster meet is this Sunday...I almost
> forgot! Who's going to be there? Larry? Curtis? anybody else? I'm trying
> to get a couple of guys together to ride down from central PA. If you're
> interested let me know.
>
> Roy H. Drinkwater
> Lititz, PA
>
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> Message: 10
> From: "Donald Dundee" <rebour@hotmail.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 10:44:33 -0500
> Subject: [CR]Test
>
> Just a test
>
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> Message: 11
> From: "Aldo Ross" <swampmtn@siscom.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:56:38 -0500
> Subject: [CR]pic of Schotte/Girardengo/Lygie
>
> Today's picture - b&w of Briek Schotte riding his Girardengo next to the =
> Lygie team car:
>
> http://albums.photopoint.com/
> 57362
>
> "Allez!" double bottle cage
> Huret(?) suicide shifter
> Campy quick releases
> Fully chromed fork with intersting crown
> Chrome panel on seattube
> Vittoria gum lever hood covers
> Note the hand rails on top of the team car, and the rear seat passenger =
> wearing a continental fireman's helmet! Watch your head on that =
> handrail!!!
>
> Aldo Ross
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> From: "Donald Dundee" <rebour@hotmail.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]decals
> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 11:14:48 -0500
>
> I believe Dale posted some info about a week ago that introduced a person in
> Massachusetts who did reros at a decent price (by the sound of it). If you
> read this dale, perhaps you can point Russell in the right direction.
>
> >From: Russell roth <fuzzybunnies@pot.com>
> >Reply-To: fuzzybunnies@pot.com
> >To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >Subject: [CR]decals
> >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:49:52 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >I was wondering if anyone can tell me how to reproduce decals. I have
> >decals for a raleigh international and would like to produce copies for any
> >additional projects that pop up in the future, like hopefully a pro frame.
> >The set I have is designed to do a pro, international or comp GS as it has
> >all three frame names but only enough of the rest of the decals to do one
> >frame. I believe they're water transfers since after you apply a sticker
> >the front paper won't come off unless you apply lots of water. Anyone done
> >this before?. Thanx in advance. -Russell
> >
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> Message: 13
> From: "Jim Cunningham" <cyclartist@home.com>
> To: "Classicrendezvous@Bikelist. Org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Cc: <kurtzla@fhs.csu.McMaster.CA>
> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:56:27 -0800
> Subject: [CR]RE: Picture of Ideor Asso
>
> Lawrence and CR Listies,
>
> There's a photo of a recently restored Ideor Asso on the CyclArt website.
> Link to this page: http://www.cyclart.com/
> http://www.cyclart.com/
>
> We can supply Ideor decals, and virtually any other vintage lightweight
> decals as part of a CyclArt refinish or touch-up.
>
> BTW: Many people don't know that we are able to do extensive tough ups to
> invisibly repair damaged original finishes. Also, and this is rare, we are
> not overbooked at the moment and are able to get right to work on new
> incoming paintwork. In some cases we can complete jobs in days, not weeks.
> This won't last, as we typically get busier in spring, but the time is right
> to get in your spring projects.
>
> JFC ~ CyclArtist
> Vista, CA
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> From: "Aldo Ross" <swampmtn@siscom.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]pic of Schotte/Girardengo/Lygie
> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:02:51 -0500
>
> Ooops - I meant "non-Campy" qr levers.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Aldo Ross <swampmtn@siscom.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 10:56 AM
> Subject: [CR]pic of Schotte/Girardengo/Lygie
>
> Today's picture - b&w of Briek Schotte riding his Girardengo next to the
> Lygie team car:
>
> http://albums.photopoint.com/
>
> "Allez!" double bottle cage
> Huret(?) suicide shifter
> Campy quick releases
> Fully chromed fork with intersting crown
> Chrome panel on seattube
> Vittoria gum lever hood covers
> Note the hand rails on top of the team car, and the rear seat passenger
> wearing a continental fireman's helmet! Watch your head on that handrail!!!
>
> Aldo Ross
>
>
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> Message: 15
> From: "Aldo Ross" <swampmtn@siscom.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:26:00 -0500
> Subject: [CR]Ambrosio and TTT
>
> I think it's time for an Ambrosio/T.T.T. photo album. I've got a few =
> stems to photograph, including the following:
>
> Ambrosio "Champion" steel
> Ambrosio "Champion" alu
> Ambrosio "Champion" adjustable
> Ambrosio "I-beam" alu
> TTT "Record" (early)
> TTT "Gran Prix"
> TTT "2000" black
>
> Anyone have others? Send jpgs, and I'll add them to the album.
>
> Also, send handlebar engraving pics, both Ambrosio and TTT.
>
> This album will be a "staging area"... once we have a nice collection, =
> we'll force Dale to get busy with a section on Classic Rendezvosuosezs!
>
> Aldo Ross
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 16
> From: TW406@aol.com
> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:31:04 EST
> Subject: Re: [CR]Test
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> 1. C
> 2. B
> 3. all of the above.
> 4. A
> 5. A
> 6. none of the above
> 7. B
> 8. D
> 9. A
> 10. Less than
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 17
> From: "Aldo Ross" <swampmtn@siscom.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Ambrosio and TTT
> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:49:28 -0500
>
> To get the ball rolling, I've added 8 pictures to an "Ambrosio - T.T.T."
> photo album:
>
> http://albums.photopoint.com/
>
> Aldo Ross
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Aldo Ross <swampmtn@siscom.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:26 PM
> Subject: [CR]Ambrosio and TTT
>
> I think it's time for an Ambrosio/T.T.T. photo album. I've got a few stems
> to photograph, including the following:
>
> Ambrosio "Champion" steel
> Ambrosio "Champion" alu
> Ambrosio "Champion" adjustable
> Ambrosio "I-beam" alu
> TTT "Record" (early)
> TTT "Gran Prix"
> TTT "2000" black
>
> Anyone have others? Send jpgs, and I'll add them to the album.
>
> Also, send handlebar engraving pics, both Ambrosio and TTT.
>
> This album will be a "staging area"... once we have a nice collection, we'll
> force Dale to get busy with a section on Classic Rendezvosuosezs!
>
> Aldo Ross
>
>
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> Message: 18
> From: Ebbikes@aol.com
> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:35:48 EST
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]This one takes the cake
>
> Here is the stupidest thing I have seen on an ebay auction.
>
> http://ebay.com/
>
> What do you think?
>
> Bob Freeman
>
>
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