[CR]Re: Classicrendezvous digest, Vol 1 #373 - 23 msgs

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From: "Clive Rodell" <cqt@intercoast.com.au>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <CATFOODT6QcWY9pgXVW00000baa@catfood.nt.phred.org>
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:38:50 +1100
Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous digest, Vol 1 #373 - 23 msgs

Hilary I am always in the market for old catalogues, Bike Aids and a pre 1970 Ronkit. Regards Clive Ps be gentle the bloody pounds giving the Aussie dollar a hiding at the moment!


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> 1. Re: amateur framebuilders on CR (gregparker1)
> 2. Re: Stem Options for '60's English Tourer (longish) (Sheldon Brown)
> 3. Re: Titan bars: was Stem Options for '60's English Tourer (RALEIGH531@aol.com)
> 4. FS: 1971 PX-10 in Nice Shape (cr@home-work.com)
> 5. Re: Rechroming Parts (OROBOYZ@aol.com)
> 6. Re: Stem Options for '60's English Tourer (longish) (Joseph Bender-Zanoni)
> 7. Re: photopoint (Richard M Sachs)
> 8. RE: Chroming Parts and Belated Introduction (IKersey@aol.com)
> 9. RE: Re: photopoint (Richard M Sachs)
> 10. Re: Can you ID this seatpost? yes, GPM (Bikerdaver@aol.com)
> 11. Re: how much to repair a dinged top tube? (Sheldon Brown)
> 12. Re: Mario Confente (was inconsequential bollocks) (Bikerdaver@aol.com)
> 13. Re: Girardengo Art.... (Bikerdaver@aol.com)
> 14. Re: how much to repair a dinged top tube? (gregparker1)
> 15. Re: how much to repair a dinged top tube? (Rick Chasteen)
> 16. Re: Braze-on shifters, Oro chains & freewheels? (Bikerdaver@aol.com)
> 17. "Mario".... "Masi"....etc. (Gerry and Caroline)
> 18. Re: Braze-on shifters, Oro chains & freewheels? (swampmtn)
> 19. FS: Honey Brooks Finesse, $95 shipped (Steve Freides)
> 20. Re: Campy braze-on shifters (David Goerndt)
> 21. Re: "Mario".... "Masi"....etc. (Jim Allen)
> 22. Re: Another face for cycling's Mt. Rushmore (Roy H. Drinkwater)
> 23. Re: Books for sale 11/3/01 (Hilary Stone)
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:07:17 -0500
> From: gregparker1 <GregParker1@compuserve.com>
> To: "Diane Feldman" <feldmanbike@home.com>
> Cc: gregparker1 <110404.153@compuserve.com>,
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Re: amateur framebuilders on CR
>
> I have a total lifetime output of two (still riding both eighteen years l=
> ater).
> Built a crit. bike for myself in 1982 and a touring bike for my wife in 1=
> 983.
> Had some guidance from Mike Appel in Madison WI, but did all the work mys=
> elf
> by hand in my apartment(!). Mike's painter at the time painted both of t=
> hem.
>
> Soon thereafter, Trek offered to hire me as a second-shift silver brazer =
> for $5/hr.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Greg "semi-retired very amateur framebuilder" Parker
> Ann Arbor, MI (45 F and sunny today!)
>
>
> David Feldman wrote:
>
> =
>
> <Good to have you on the list; how many of us amateur framebuilders are o=
> n
> <this (list)anyway?
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 17:31:06 -0500
> To: Joseph Bender-Zanoni <jfbender@umich.edu>,
> Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com>,
> Classic Lightweights <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> From: Sheldon Brown <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Stem Options for '60's English Tourer (longish)
>
> I wrote:
>
> > >That would be the most appropriate thing, "Forged Hiduminium" with
> > >matching GB bars. Some racy bikes of this period used Titan bars &
> > >stems with their proprietary 27 mm diameter, but I don't recall ever
> > >seeing these on a tourer.
>
> Joseph Bender-Zanoni responded:
>
> >My '64 Paramount Touring bike came with a Titan stem and upright steel bars
> >with a 27.0 center section. The bars are light and well made, not the Wald
> >type. Along with the stainless steel fenders the bar may be some of the
> >last vestiges of Schwinn making (or having made) quality lightweight parts
> >in the US. The stem was too short and I found a longer Titan I have yet to
> >install.
>
> Most certainly _not_ "Wald" type! Titan was a super high-end
> product, and, if I'm not mistaken, was the top-of-the-heap for bars &
> stems before Cinelli came along. My '61 Paramount and also a '50s La
> Perle I used to own both came with Titan sleeved aluminum drop bars
> and steel stems. They are very light. (I don't know that Titan ever
> made aluminum stems, and aluminum handlebars were a pretty exotic
> item in the '50s.)
>
> This was not a Schwinn product...I think they were Belgian, but I'm
> far from certain of that.
>
> Sheldon "'50s High Tech" Brown
> Newtonville, Massachusetts
> +------------------------------------------+
> | Light, cheap, durable. Choose any two. |
> | -- Keith Bontrager |
> +------------------------------------------+
>
> Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
> Phone 617-244-9772, 617-244-1040, FAX 617-244-1041
> http://harriscyclery.com
> Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
> http://captainbike.com
> Useful articles about bicycles and cycling
> http://sheldonbrown.com
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> From: RALEIGH531@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 18:07:16 EST
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Re: Titan bars: was Stem Options for '60's English Tourer
>
> In a message dated 3/10/01 5:33:51 PM EST, CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com writes:
>
> > This was not a Schwinn product...I think they were Belgian, but I'm
> > far from certain of that.
>
> I have a photocopy out of some old 70's era bike book that states that Titan
> were 27mm center, 23.5mm at the grips, and Belgian made.
>
> Pete Geurds
> Douglassville, PA
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> From: cr@home-work.com
> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 22:58:42 -0500
> Subject: [CR]FS: 1971 PX-10 in Nice Shape
>
> Hi CR's,
> I need cash for other projects so the PX-10 is for sale.
>
> This bike is in very good+ condition with decals intact. Nervex Pro lugs.
> Needs cables and rubber, otherwise in nice shape. Photos upon request.
>
> 1971 PX-10 60cm c-t with 58cm top tube.
> All stock in nice shape.
> In storage for 25+ years.
> Reynolds 531 throughout.
> Stronglite cranks.
> Mafac Racer brakes.
> Maillard Competition high flange hubs.
> Simplex deraillers.
> Brooks Pro saddle.
> All decals intact but paint peeling from fork blades.
>
> $350 plus shipping
> Thanks for looking!
> -Dan Borden
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> From: OROBOYZ@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 19:04:23 EST
> Subject: Re: [CR]Rechroming Parts
> To: IKersey@aol.com, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> In a message dated 3/10/2001 8:39:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> IKersey@aol.com writes:
>
> << Just got a set of cranks and chainwheels back from Bryan Proctor at Custom
> Metal Finishing. They do amazing work! When the pieces went in, they were
> scabrously flaking chrome all over. >>
>
> Ian:
> Can you report on exactly what kinds of cranks and chain wheels and what that
> service cost?
> Thanks
> Dale
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 21:03:23 -0800
> To: Sheldon Brown <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com>,
> Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com>,
> Classic Lightweights <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> From: Joseph Bender-Zanoni <jfbender@umich.edu>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Stem Options for '60's English Tourer (longish)
>
> I was confusing in relation to the discussion below. I think just the
> upright touring bars are a Schwinn product to fit the Titan Stem. They are
> definately an American type bend.
>
> I am fairly certain that Titan is Belgian.
>
> On a side note, the Titan stem is steel but has an aluminium part, the
> binder bolt. It always looks scary, even bends a bit, but does the job.
>
> Joe
> Stuck inside in Ann Arbor today
>
> At 05:31 PM 3/10/01 -0500, Sheldon Brown wrote:
> >I wrote:
> >
> >> >That would be the most appropriate thing, "Forged Hiduminium" with
> >> >matching GB bars. Some racy bikes of this period used Titan bars &
> >> >stems with their proprietary 27 mm diameter, but I don't recall ever
> >> >seeing these on a tourer.
> >
> >Joseph Bender-Zanoni responded:
> >
> >>My '64 Paramount Touring bike came with a Titan stem and upright steel bars
> >>with a 27.0 center section. The bars are light and well made, not the Wald
> >>type. Along with the stainless steel fenders the bar may be some of the
> >>last vestiges of Schwinn making (or having made) quality lightweight parts
> >>in the US. The stem was too short and I found a longer Titan I have yet to
> >>install.
> >
> >Most certainly _not_ "Wald" type! Titan was a super high-end
> >product, and, if I'm not mistaken, was the top-of-the-heap for bars &
> >stems before Cinelli came along. My '61 Paramount and also a '50s La
> >Perle I used to own both came with Titan sleeved aluminum drop bars
> >and steel stems. They are very light. (I don't know that Titan ever
> >made aluminum stems, and aluminum handlebars were a pretty exotic
> >item in the '50s.)
> >
> >This was not a Schwinn product...I think they were Belgian, but I'm
> >far from certain of that.
> >
> >Sheldon "'50s High Tech" Brown
> >Newtonville, Massachusetts
> >+------------------------------------------+
> >| Light, cheap, durable. Choose any two. |
> >| -- Keith Bontrager |
> >+------------------------------------------+
> >
> > Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
> >Phone 617-244-9772, 617-244-1040, FAX 617-244-1041
> > http://harriscyclery.com
> > Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
> > http://captainbike.com
> > Useful articles about bicycles and cycling
> > http://sheldonbrown.com
> >
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 21:58:27 -0500
> From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com>
> Subject: [CR]Re: photopoint
>
> i put some images on photopoint.com
> mostly race stuff. type in my email
> address to view...
> classic content: the most vintage rs pic
> i could find is posted. i'll 'award' a pair
> of richard sachs socks, (richard socks?),
> to the first 5 respondents who furnish
> the pic's caption!
> e-RICHIE
> richardsachs@juno.com
> pics are listed under misc.pics
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> From: IKersey@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:20:31 EST
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]RE: Chroming Parts and Belated Introduction
>
> Sorry all, I didn't know what the protocol was regarding reporting costs
> on-line. I have already replied to a number of you off-line -- so, for the
> benefit of the rest of the list, here goes:
>
> I had a Nervar three-pin crankset and spoke guard rechromed by Bryan Proctor
> of Custom Metal Finishing, Inc. The two chain rings (52/40) were $18 each,
> left crank arm was $12, right crank arm was $18, and spoke guard was $35 (it
> was in terrible shape). An EPA fee of $10 and a return shipping fee of $10
> brought the total to $121 -- not inexpensive, but well worth it, considering
> that a local company (in Norfolk) gave me a phone estimate of $50-60 per
> crank. The results wrought by Bryan and crew speak for themselves!
> Definitely artisans! (now don't go and start another thread...)
>
> Regarding myself, I have:
>
> A 1970 Mercier 200 (identified with the able assistance of several list
> members and a recently acquired copy of The Complete Buyer's Guide to Bicycles
> , dated 1973). The Mercier is ~70% restored.
>
> Three (3!) Peugeot UO-8s in various stages of restoration -- I'm gonna do for
> the UO-8 what the Hunt Brothers tried to do with silver! Seriously, I'm
> collecting them as penance for selling my first 10 speed (a 1974 Peugeot
> UJ-10 youth-sized bike) at a yard sale eight years ago for $10 (Mea Culpa!).
> Anyone out there that has one for sale (a UJ-10, that is), please let me
> know...
>
> A 1970-something Jeunet 630 (currently in transit).
>
> A 1990 Miyata 600GT touring bike (my everyday rider).
>
> I just started collecting and restoring bikes about 6 months ago -- now I
> can't stop the madness. (I calmly reassure the wife that it's cheaper than
> British sports cars, so far...)
>
>
> Ian "It's getting harder to bury the bike expenditures in the checkbook so
> she won't find'em" Kersey
> Tidewater, Virginia
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> To: richardsachs@juno.com
> Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:18:00 -0500
> Subject: RE: [CR]Re: photopoint
> From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com>
>
> as of 11 p.m. there are 2 correct answers.
> many incorrect answers, too!
> i'll check back in the morning.
> there are 3 pair of socks left to award!!
> fyi, these are NEW RICHARD SACHS
> SOCKS by DEFEET, not my own 'used'
> socks. sorry for any ambiguities...
> e-RICHIE
>
> On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 21:58:27 -0500 Richard M Sachs
> <richardsachs@juno.com> writes:
> > i put some images on photopoint.com
> > mostly race stuff. type in my email
> > address to view...
> > classic content: the most vintage rs pic
> > i could find is posted. i'll 'award' a pair
> > of richard sachs socks, (richard socks?),
> > to the first 5 respondents who furnish
> > the pic's caption!
> > e-RICHIE
> > richardsachs@juno.com
> > pics are listed under misc.pics
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> From: Bikerdaver@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:16:59 EST
> Subject: Re: [CR]Can you ID this seatpost? yes, GPM
> To: youngc@netreach.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> Charlie-
> Take a good look at the letters. They are G P, not G S. Cheers,
> Dave Anderson
>
> In a message dated 3/6/01 1:19:03 PM PST, youngc@netreach.net writes:
> I'm a little confused. I recall that an earlier respondent thought that it
> was
> a San Marco G.S seatpost. I have one of them currently residing on a 1985
> Cinelli Super Corsa. I seem to recall that it came off a Centurion that a
> buddy
> picked up for a fixed conversion (obviously not OEM on that bike). I thought
> that it might have been an Avocet...
>
> At any rate, does anyone know if Selle(?) San Marco dabbled in seatposts (or
> private labeled them) or is it more likely that it is a GPM post.
>
> Charlie Young
> Honeybrook, PA
>
> > Lee-
> > I have seen several of these over the years and they are great posts. I
> think
> > I even have one stashed away some where. I have a feeling that someone will
> > bash me for my poor spelling efforts, but these seatposts where made by
> > Giovanni Papillardo de Milano. Before he got the idea to call his company
> GPM
> > (Gipiemme). Cheers,
> > Dave Anderson
> >
> > In a message dated 3/4/01 7:08:09 AM PST, lberg@ventoux.com writes:
> > > A used bike I purchased a few years ago came with a seatpost that I have
> > > not seen identified anywhere. I recently noticed that the same seatpost
> > > was used in the graphics on the boxes for Selle San Marco Concor saddles.
> > > Anyone know the manufacturer/model of the seatpost in this illustration?:
> > > http://www.ventoux.com/mysteryseatpost.jpg
> > >
> > > Block letters "BREV" on the front below the clamp, two rather ambiguous
> > > script letters on the back (can be seen in the in pic above): the first
> > > one is probably "G", second one may be "P".
> > >
> >
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:15:36 -0500
> To: tomwitkop@juno.com, m.battley@irl.cri.nz
> From: Sheldon Brown <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR]how much to repair a dinged top tube?
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> Tom Witkop wrote:
>
> >I never tried this was a bicycle but did do it with a motorcycle gas tank
> >with reasonable results. Fill the top tube with water, plug the ends and
> >leave it outside to freeze. The expanding water may push out the dent.
>
> One of the many biographies of the Wright brothers I read told of on
> of their first financial successes, as adolescents:
>
> At the time, the U.S. government had a large supply of mortar shells
> left over from the War of the Rebellion. These were hollow steel (or
> maybe iron?) spheres full of gunpowder with a hole for a fuse. They
> were obsolete, and the explosives were no longer reliable but still
> dangerous. The metal had real value as scrap, but only if somebody
> could figure a way to get the powder out without causing an
> explosion. The need was for a way to crack the shells open without
> risking causing a spark.
>
> The Wright brothers came up with the solution: they filled the shells
> with water, and fitted a plug to the fuse hole, held on with wire.
> They left the water filled shells out on cold Ohio winter nights, and
> in the morning the cracked-open shells could have the gunpowder
> safely scraped out, and the metal could be re-cycled!
>
> As to dented top tubes, I've never tried this, but I've often
> wondered about the possibility of clamping the tube in a form, sort
> of like elongated frame clamp blocks, and setting off a firecracker
> inside...any volunteers?
>
> Sheldon "Expansion" Brown
> Newtonville, Massachusetts
> +----------------------------------------+
> | Lottery: the closest thing we have |
> | to a tax on stupidity. |
> +----------------------------------------+
>
> Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
> Phone 617-244-9772, 617-244-1040, FAX 617-244-1041
> http://harriscyclery.com
> Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
> http://captainbike.com
> Useful articles about bicycles and cycling
> http://sheldonbrown.com
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> From: Bikerdaver@aol.com
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 00:36:46 EST
> Subject: Re: [CR]Mario Confente (was inconsequential bollocks)
> To: jimallen@nctimes.net, moos@penn.com
> Cc: wspokes1@hotmail.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> Jim-
> I must step forward and identify myself as one who whole heartedly agrees
> with you. I'll take that nomex suit if your are done using it. :-)
>
> Dave--"Who put Nitrous in my O2 tank!"--Anderson
>
> In a message dated 3/8/01 10:19:07 AM PST, jimallen@nctimes.net writes:
> > I'm of the school where form ought to follow function. I think the the
> curly stayed
> > Hetchins are at best curious oddities and curly cued lugs are ugly.
> >
> > However, a properly executed short pointed lug with or without windows is a
> thing
> > of beauty. But, the bike better be a great ride!
> >
> > Only my opinion, Nomex flame suit on.
> > Later, Jim
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 13
> From: Bikerdaver@aol.com
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:13:04 EST
> Subject: Re: [CR]Girardengo Art....
> To: d.kennard@home.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> Duane-
> If I am wrong, someone should correct me, but weren't these the bikes
> everyone says were made by Italain prisoners. My two cents.
> dave anderson
>
>
> In a message dated 3/8/01 4:25:15 PM PST, d.kennard@home.com writes:
> > Hi gang,
> > What do you all know about the marque Girardengo?
> > Were these the frames built by the artists living
> > in "art colonies"? I just picked up a pretty crusty one
> > that I'm guessing was built mid-late '50s. It has Campy
> > dropouts, the early Record hubs that don't say "Record",
> > Gran Sport deraileurs with the cable adjuster on the rear,
> > Magistroni cranks, Ambrosio stem & bars. I felt sorry for it;
> > it looked lonely just sitting there (price was very right).
> > Where can I find some info. on them? Thanks again,
> > Duane Kennard
> >
> > P.S.- it not only has a cool headbadge, but a cool seat tube
> > badge too...
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:21:34 -0500
> From: gregparker1 <GregParker1@compuserve.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR]how much to repair a dinged top tube?
> To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>
> I'm surprised no one has mentioned the hydraulic method of top tube repai=
> r.
> I've been told (can't remember the exact builder that did / does it) tha=
> t
> there's a framebuilder who plugs the vent hole at the seat tube (if ther=
> e is one;
> if not, just insert a seat post), then has a contraption that fills the =
> top tube
> with hydraulic fluid, and applies enough pressure that the tube becomes =
> round again.
>
> Has anyone heard this story and is it true?
>
> Greg Parker
>
> -------------Forwarded Message-----------------
>
> From: Sheldon Brown, INTERNET:CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com
> To: , INTERNET:m.battley@irl.cri.nz
> , INTERNET:tomwitkop@juno.com
> =
>
> CC: , INTERNET:classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> =
>
> Date: 3/10/2001 11:24 PM
>
> RE: Re: [CR]how much to repair a dinged top tube?
>
> =
>
> Tom Witkop wrote:
>
> >I never tried this was a bicycle but did do it with a motorcycle gas tan=
> k
> >with reasonable results. Fill the top tube with water, plug the ends and=
>
> >leave it outside to freeze. The expanding water may push out the dent.
>
> One of the many biographies of the Wright brothers I read told of on =
>
> of their first financial successes, as adolescents:
>
> At the time, the U.S. government had a large supply of mortar shells =
>
> left over from the War of the Rebellion. These were hollow steel (or =
>
> maybe iron?) spheres full of gunpowder with a hole for a fuse. They =
>
> were obsolete, and the explosives were no longer reliable but still =
>
> dangerous. The metal had real value as scrap, but only if somebody =
>
> could figure a way to get the powder out without causing an =
>
> explosion. The need was for a way to crack the shells open without =
>
> risking causing a spark.
>
> The Wright brothers came up with the solution: they filled the shells =
>
> with water, and fitted a plug to the fuse hole, held on with wire. =
>
> They left the water filled shells out on cold Ohio winter nights, and =
>
> in the morning the cracked-open shells could have the gunpowder =
>
> safely scraped out, and the metal could be re-cycled!
>
> As to dented top tubes, I've never tried this, but I've often =
>
> wondered about the possibility of clamping the tube in a form, sort =
>
> of like elongated frame clamp blocks, and setting off a firecracker =
>
> inside...any volunteers?
>
> Sheldon "Expansion" Brown
> Newtonville, Massachusetts
> +----------------------------------------+
> | Lottery: the closest thing we have |
> | to a tax on stupidity. |
> +----------------------------------------+
>
> =
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 15
> From: "Rick Chasteen" <chasteen@kcaccess.net>
> To: "gregparker1" <GregParker1@compuserve.com>,
> "classicrendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]how much to repair a dinged top tube?
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 00:41:50 -0600
>
> Greg, et al:
>
> Joe Breeze fixes dented tubes that way. I talked to him about just such a
> repair about 1.5 years ago.
>
> Rick Chasteen, Kansas City
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gregparker1 <GregParker1@compuserve.com>
> To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 12:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [CR]how much to repair a dinged top tube?
>
>
> > I'm surprised no one has mentioned the hydraulic method of top tube
> repair.
> > I've been told (can't remember the exact builder that did / does it) that
> > there's a framebuilder who plugs the vent hole at the seat tube (if there
> is one;
> > if not, just insert a seat post), then has a contraption that fills the
> top tube
> > with hydraulic fluid, and applies enough pressure that the tube becomes
> round again.
> >
> > Has anyone heard this story and is it true?
> >
> > Greg Parker
> >
> > -------------Forwarded Message-----------------
> >
> > From: Sheldon Brown, INTERNET:CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com
> > To: , INTERNET:m.battley@irl.cri.nz
> > , INTERNET:tomwitkop@juno.com
> >
> > CC: , INTERNET:classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >
> > Date: 3/10/2001 11:24 PM
> >
> > RE: Re: [CR]how much to repair a dinged top tube?
> >
> >
> > Tom Witkop wrote:
> >
> > >I never tried this was a bicycle but did do it with a motorcycle gas tank
> > >with reasonable results. Fill the top tube with water, plug the ends and
> > >leave it outside to freeze. The expanding water may push out the dent.
> >
> > One of the many biographies of the Wright brothers I read told of on
> > of their first financial successes, as adolescents:
> >
> > At the time, the U.S. government had a large supply of mortar shells
> > left over from the War of the Rebellion. These were hollow steel (or
> > maybe iron?) spheres full of gunpowder with a hole for a fuse. They
> > were obsolete, and the explosives were no longer reliable but still
> > dangerous. The metal had real value as scrap, but only if somebody
> > could figure a way to get the powder out without causing an
> > explosion. The need was for a way to crack the shells open without
> > risking causing a spark.
> >
> > The Wright brothers came up with the solution: they filled the shells
> > with water, and fitted a plug to the fuse hole, held on with wire.
> > They left the water filled shells out on cold Ohio winter nights, and
> > in the morning the cracked-open shells could have the gunpowder
> > safely scraped out, and the metal could be re-cycled!
> >
> > As to dented top tubes, I've never tried this, but I've often
> > wondered about the possibility of clamping the tube in a form, sort
> > of like elongated frame clamp blocks, and setting off a firecracker
> > inside...any volunteers?
> >
> > Sheldon "Expansion" Brown
> > Newtonville, Massachusetts
> > +----------------------------------------+
> > | Lottery: the closest thing we have |
> > | to a tax on stupidity. |
> > +----------------------------------------+
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
>
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> Message: 16
> From: Bikerdaver@aol.com
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:46:41 EST
> Subject: Re: [CR]Braze-on shifters, Oro chains & freewheels?
> To: siverson@garlic.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> In a message dated 3/8/01 10:14:59 PM PST, siverson@garlic.com writes:
> > Can anyone tell me when Campagnolo braze-on shifters first came into
> > use on frames? Also when did Regina introduce the "Oro" chains and
> > freewheels?
> >
> Eric-
> Let me give it a crack but someone else may be able to do better. Campy
> braze-on bosses were first made sometime around the mid to late 60s, however
> I did not see any used until a 1974 Pinarello "Special Treviso".
> The Regina ORO freewheels first came out when regina was making 4-SP
> freewheels, early-mid 50ish I think. I recall reading literature claiming
> that the brass (ORO) plating was a softer metal able to "grab" a chain better
> than a non-ORO freewheels. I never actually saw any on available production
> bikes until the early 70s.
> Regina ORO chains came out when, I haven't a clue, however I never
> actually saw or heard of them on Road bikes until very late 70s. I heard 2nd,
> 3rd, or 4th hand that the ORO track Chains were introduced in the early 60s.
> Cheers,
>
> Dave--"I need that Nomex suit now, and fast!"--Anderson
>
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:54:53 +0000
> From: Gerry and Caroline <gbsw10644@cableinet.co.uk>
> Reply-To: gbsw10644@cableinet.co.uk
> To: "classicredezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]"Mario".... "Masi"....etc.
>
> New member, excuse my ignorance.
> Exactly who was Mario and who were Masi?
>
> Gerry"a new can of worms?"Burke
> Scotland.
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 18
> From: "swampmtn" <swampmtn@siscom.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, <Bikerdaver@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Braze-on shifters, Oro chains & freewheels?
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 08:28:32 -0500
>
> Chuck Schmidt already answered this one... 1952. They appear as braze-on
> boss/backing plate assembly in Cat.12 (1953), page 19, items 600/1 (rear)
> and 611/1 (front). Also shown are braze-on hanger 80/1 and braze-on cable
> stop 621.
>
> For Cat.13 (1955) the braze-on shifter parts were sold as seperate pieces,
> stud 660, right/rear backing plate 600/2, and left/front backing plate
> 611/2. They were also available with complete lever assembly as 1013/5
> (front) and 1013/6 (rear). These numbers would be used for the next 30
> years. Braze-on bb cable guide 663 appeared in Cat.13 as well.
>
> For Cat.14 (1958) it looks like cable stop 621 has chnged from split-top to
> solid loop.
>
> Braze-on front der cable guid 663/B appears in Cat.17 (1973), page 10.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Aldo Ross
> Monroe, Ohio
> 40F and cloudy
> great racing weather again
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Bikerdaver@aol.com>
> To: <siverson@garlic.com>; <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 1:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Braze-on shifters, Oro chains & freewheels?
>
>
> > Let me give it a crack but someone else may be able to do better.
> Campy
> > braze-on bosses were first made sometime around the mid to late 60s,
> however
> > I did not see any used until a 1974 Pinarello "Special Treviso".
> > Dave--"I need that Nomex suit now, and fast!"--Anderson
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 19
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 08:35:55 -0500
> From: Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com>
> Organization: Friday's Computer, Inc.
> To: Classic Lightweights <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]FS: Honey Brooks Finesse, $95 shipped
>
> My wife's saddle, used for about 300 miles a couple of years back and
> sitting on the shelf since, in very good, maybe even excellent, used
> condition.
>
> A bit more info has been included in my FS listing on r.b.m., $95 shipped.
>
> -S-
>
>
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> Message: 20
> From: "David Goerndt" <davidg@iag.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Campy braze-on shifters
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 09:18:07 -0500
>
>
> : [CR]Braze-on shifters,
>
> > In a message dated 3/8/01 10:14:59 PM PST, siverson@garlic.com writes:
> > > Can anyone tell me when Campagnolo braze-on shifters first came into
> > > use on frames?
>
> I found Campy braze-on shifters listed in Catalog # 13 circa 1955, part
> number 1013/5, 1013/6.
>
> David Goerndt
>
>
>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 06:32:31 -0800
> From: Jim Allen <jimallen@nctimes.net>
> To: gbsw10644@cableinet.co.uk
> Cc: "classicredezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]"Mario".... "Masi"....etc.
>
> See http://www.cyclesdeoro.com/Masimain.html,
> http://www.cyclesdeoro.com/Masi_usa_main.htm
> and http://www.masibikes.com//
>
> In the '80s when Dave Moulton was working in at the San Marcos workshop
> for Masi he told me that Masi was known in Great Britain for his track
> bikes. He was surprised that we built so few of them!
>
> Later, Jim Allen
>
>
> Gerry and Caroline wrote:
>
> > New member, excuse my ignorance.
> > Exactly who was Mario and who were Masi?
> >
> > Gerry"a new can of worms?"Burke
> > Scotland.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:21:35 -0500
> Subject: Re: [CR]Another face for cycling's Mt. Rushmore
> From: "Roy H. Drinkwater" <roydrink@mac.com>
> To: Mark Petry <mpetry@bainbridgeisland.net>
> Cc: classic list <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>
> on 3/8/01, Mark Petry wrote:
>
> >
> > By the way anybody know of a living relative of Mr. DeLong?
> >
> > He's being inducted into the Hall of Fame this year and it would be cool if
> > someone could receive the award for him.
> >
>
> I wrote to Mark asking which "Hall of Fame", and he replied with the
> link, http://208.217.109.16/bike/newbike/fame/ , which turns out to be the
> U.S. Bicycling Hall of Fame in Somerville, NJ
>
> Their main website is http://www.usbhof.com/ ,which is very interesting
> (some browsers may not display correctly). Inside the museum itself (I've
> been there) is pretty great! (outside it's a downtown strip mall in NJ...)
> If you ever find yourself in central NJ, check it out.
>
> Roy H. Drinkwater
> Lititz "what exit?", PA
>
>
>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:44:04 +0000
> Subject: Re: [CR] Books for sale 11/3/01
> From: "Hilary Stone" <Hilary.Stone@Tesco.net>
> To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>
>
> I have sorted out some some books which have come from a friend who died
> recently. All items are priced in $. Postage will be extra charged at cost.
> Enquire for actual cost if you like before deciding.
> Payment can be made in cash with dollars or by money order in Pounds
> sterling ($1.40 to 1 pound sterling). American Express Travellers cheques
> are also fine.
> Regards
> Hilary Stone
>
> Cycling: Land=B9s End to John o=B9Groats by Alan Ray 1971 155pp
> The fascinating story of record breaking attempts at this classic distance
> from 1880 through to the 1960s. Excellent condition complete with perfect
> dust jacket. A rare book. $30
>
> The Bicycle in life, love, war and literature by Seamus McGonanagle 1968
> 141pp
> A great read though occasionally its accuracy should be questioned.
> Excellent condition with virtually perfect dustjacket. Not common $20
>
> Frank Patterson by Gerry Moore 2nd edition 1991 62pp
> The story of the one of the greatest cycling artist=B9s lives copiously
> illustrated with his drawings. A great book, perfect condition with
> dustjacket. $25
>
> King of Sports by Peter Ward undated early 1970s 111pp
> Road racing manual with pictures of some of the greats in action =AD Anquetil=
> ,
> Simpson, Gimondi etc Uncreased card cover, excellent condition $14
>
> Let=B9s Go Cycling by Reg Shaw 1st edition 1950 243pp
> Contemporary manual on how to go cycling including chapters on the right
> kind of cycle and equipment. Several pages of ads at the back from Thanet,
> Cyclo Benelux, Dunlop Carradice, Airlite etc. Excellent condition though th=
> e
> full colour dust jacket has a couple of tears and a small missing section
> along the top edge. $20
>
> Cycling Manual by H H England 22nd edition 1950 214pp.
> Complete contemporary guide to cycling with quite a lot on equipment. Some
> different illustrations to the 23rd edition but pretty similar text. A
> fascinating read. Includes a particularly good 30pp advert section Harden,
> Reynolds, Claud Butler, Royal Enfield etc. Softback. Slightly marked rear
> cover, otherwise excellent. $15
>
> Cycling Manual by H H England 23rd edition 1954 203pp.
> Complete contemporary guide to cycling with quite a lot on equipment. A
> fascinating read. Includes good advert section Dayton, Reynolds, Williams,
> GB etc. Hardback. A couple of grubby pages and somebody=B9s ideal bike spec
> written in the back end papers but otherwise excellent. $15
>
> Teach Yourself Cycling by Reg Shaw 1st edition 1953 166pp
> Delightful contemporary cycling manual with lots of line drawings and some
> Patterson drawings too. Excellent condition but dustjacket has a few small
> tears and very small nissing section from top edge. $10
>
> News Chronicle Cycling and Ope Road Annual 1938 by Stanley Bacon 191pp
> Mostly a contemporary route guide, a few nice drawings, a few interesting
> ads and a short section on the vcycle. Softback in very good condition with
> a dirty mark or two on cover. $12
>
> Cycling Book of Maintenance 3rd edition 1951 135pp
> Ilustrated contemporay maintenance with short but interesting advert
> section. Softbak. Good condition, a couple of grubby pages $10
>
> Where There=B9s a Wheel by Chas Messenger 1972 215pp
> Excellent blow by blow account of the Tour of Britain from 1958 to 1964 wit=
> h
> a good selection of action photographs. Mint condition including dustjacket=
> .
> Not a common book in this condition and an excellent read $25
>
> The Penguin Book of the Bicycle by Rod Watson and Martin Gray 1978 333pp
> This very underrated book covers cycle history, the contemporary scene at
> the end of the 70s (mostly in Britain) and has a superb chapter on the
> contemporary cycle British cycle industry. This includes interviews with
> Dave Moulton (before he went to the US), Reynolds, Raleigh =AD this is a long
> section covering company history, contemporary production and details of th=
> e
> Ti-Raleigh team and their bikes etc. Very good condition, slightly creased
> rear cover $18
>
>
>
>
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