Re: [CR]Re: drilled Nuovo Record headset

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:08:27 -0800 (PST)
From: "Tom Dalton" <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: drilled Nuovo Record headset
To: GPVB1@cs.com
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <14e.b110646.29d0ba67@cs.com>


I've never seen a headset exactly like this one either - that doesn't mean it's not from late in the Production run, though, does it?

No, it really doesn't. But, I think it is a specially-made Campy rarity, not just some feature that was added right at the end. Like I said, why would they add a weight shedding (nominally) manufacturing step to a headset that was on the way out and for which there was already an alloy alternative? If some other later headset used the drilled cups, then it would be par for the course for Campy to use them at the end of the NR era, but such is not the case. Since you and I and many other CR types were Campy freaks at the end of the NR era, isn't it likely that someone would have seen such a headest if it was standard final production?

Bottom line - the Record headset wasn't referred to as Nuovo Record until very late in the Production run (if ever officially) - see Chuck's Campy Timeline and Campy's catalogs. If you don't believe me, you may want to get Chuck's opinion.

I don't think the steel headset was ever called NR, and I tried to be careful not to call it that in my earlier posts. That's actually part of why I think it is old. As I said in my original post, it could be that this drilled version is the only actual NR headset and the sticker was added to the Record box to make it known that this was the new, upgraded model. Mt theory is that it came out in the early NR / SL era as an upgrade to the already-available Record.

Not sure what you mean about a light color box - Record parts came in white boxes (very early) and yellowish (later). Is there a third box color?

I have some earlier boxes that have line drawings (of pedals and hubs) on them and the background is a much paler yellow than all my newer NR boxes which are pretty bright yellow.

If the parts in that box on eBay have been together since being stuffed into it at Vicenza, it is a very late headset. Seeing the fork crown race would help settle this (betcha it's either a late Record or a Triomphe).

If that plastic part is original it is definitely a new headset. If it has the <C> on the lower cup it is old. If it has a Triophe crown race it is new, new. If it has a new Record crown race??? I don't know. I didn't know there was more than one type. I do have a race that was sold to me as Record that is unmarked. Is that a really old one? All the other Record crown races I've seen are marked where they meet the fork.

First Record parts were the crankset and hubs in 1958 (between Catalogs #13 & 14).

First NR items were the alloy rear der. and rifled-cup BB in 1967 (Catalog #15).

First SR parts were the entire road and track gruppos in 1974 (Catalog #17).

Right, so it was only seven years after NR that SR was intro'd and it was another ten years before we get to what you and I would call late NR. My point was that the other guy called all post-SR NR stuff late production. That makes a lot of the pre-CPSC stuff "late production".

Record headset also debuted in 1967. Catalog 17a (1975) still refers to it as Record, part of the Nuovo Record group. Ditto for the 1982 Olympic Catalog. Can't locate my #18 or #18bis catalogs quickly right now, but I'd wager the headset is still referred to as "Record" therein.

Other than the rear der, the post, and the BB, I don't think there are any NR parts. Some of the stuff may have been marked NR toward the end, but none of it was changed from the item previously called Record. Campy throws arond the Nuovo word pretty freely, since it is such a common Italian word, which often confuses people.

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