Just a question for Mark,
why were you trying to crossed spokes next to the valve hole?
I always try to avoid this for pump access reasons, although I am not really that dilligent about it unless there are lots of spokes in the wheel.
Do you have a theory about pulling the joint together?
Does any one on the list have experience of tying spokes, as I would like to hear about it before I try and do my new grass wheels?