Re: [CR]Who raised the bar?

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:00:56 -0700
To: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com>, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
From: "Brandon Ives" <monkeylad@mac.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Who raised the bar?


At 4:07 PM -0400 7/26/02, Richard M Sachs wrote:
>the best-of-the-best always was well crafted. maybe not crafted in
>the contemporary
>sense, but crafted nonetheless.

I think you're correct when you're talking about small individual builders. I think when it comes to the "big players" I think that isn't true. The company that jumps to mind first is Peugeot. I've seen some very nice top end frames from them but the majority of PX-10s I've seen had really poor finish details. I've also seen quite a few Raleighs with half brazed lugs. I know they're not doing it on purpose. I think the problem is the bottom line and demand for the bikes being more than production will allow. I've also known small builders that have had that same problem.
>fwiw, i think summoning up the subject of craftsmanship often
>misleads people to concentrate only on the exterior. a well crafted
>bicycle frame starts from the inside and works its way outward.

Hear, hear. . . craftsmanship starts with good design and planning. I've ridden too many bikes that looked great but rode horribly. A really hot paint job doesn't do anything for a poorly designed frame.

I do think the bar has been raised and I think it has a lot to do with an equalization of supply and demand. If you look when the main problems are happening is during an explosion in demand by the public for the product. I know companies don't like to do R&D on their customers, but too often the voice of one-more-bike-out-the-door speaks loudest. I don't think the supply and demand factor effects small builders as much, but that's only a question the lists small builders could answer. So what about it guys? What did you do when the demand for road bikes plummeted in the 80's and 90's?
enjoy,
Brandon"monkeyman"Ives
SB, CA