Re: [CR] 1984 Dave Moulton race bike "owned" by John Howard

(Example: Racing)

From: "Chuck Schmidt" <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR] 1984 Dave Moulton race bike "owned" by John Howard
References: <143.8cfe5.2ad623d6@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 18:53:03 -0700

Larry Black wrote:
> I have one of these as well, a 54 Blue Howie by Dave with super Record pro,as
> well as a Specialized by Tesch.
> I put a higher value than Lou recalls from those sales.
> I compere these to what's new at that price.I know well, our shop sells (or
> at least stocks)
> many of these tiggers, miggers, and Chinese monstrosities.
> Moulton and Tesch meet the standards for my upper tier framebuilders.
>
> Those who know me know this "f-64" group includes Tom K, Brian B, Richie,
> Albert A , Bruce G, Andy Newlands (strawberry), Columbine, Ben Serotta, Bruce
> G, Behringer. Several others I have forgotten and I won't attempt to put them
> in order. Just the nicer work I've sold,seen and owned.
>
> Both lugged and lugless. Somehow hardening of the attitudes over the years is
> keeping the welded onew away from the higher levels of appreciation.
>
> To put in in a denominator, we get Waterfords of this quality for our stock
> and custom steel frames these days (among others) and a cecent frame from
> them is more than twoce the cost of what Lou said a Moulton could be worth.
> And about the same as a punched-out Chinese one-size-fits-many road bike with
> bubble gum welds (yes, some of these are nice too) with average or below
> components.
> I wouldn't let my Howie Moulton go for anywhere near those figures.

I have to respectfully disagree. A John Howard or a Fuso is not a Dave Moulton. And John Howard's participation in the "I was riding along and my quick release opened" court case did nothing for John Howard's mojo.

And comparing old bikes to new bike's prices just doesn't work. Current race exotics go for upwards of $8000 and the highest I ever saw a Confente go for, as an example was $6000 or so.

Chuck Schmidt
SoPas, SoCal