Re: [CR]Serotta?

(Example: Framebuilders:Mario Confente)

From: "Tom Dalton" <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Serotta?
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <20021120.113201.-160495.27.richardsachs@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:38:21 -0800 (PST)

The point I was making is probably not so universal, it is probably more my personal experience. The point I was making is that Ben and Tom are not guys I ever thought of as larger than life, giant-with-a-file characters. They are ordinary guys who build bikes. They live in places like the Lehigh Valley and upstate NY, speak English, and can be reached by phone. They built the bikes that a lot of the best local guys rode when I was starting out. With this connection, it is easier to feel a personal sense of disappointment when they start rolling out products that don't impress me. Ernesto and Ugo are giants of the business; they have long made bikes for the top pros, so no matter how suspect their "updates" really are, I defer to them. They are reacting to a lot of different pressures, just like virtually all other builders, but I am less apt to feel disappointed by their actions because I never felt any connection to begin with. I wasn't making the one-man vs. multi-man distinction. FWIW I'm with Richard on that one. It's too arbitray. The end product is what matters. I also think the Richard is SUPER COOL for not taking the other side by saying only one-man shops make good bikes. Obviously disseminating such propaganda could benefit his operation. Tom Dalton Bethlehem, PA Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com> wrote: one-man shops, regardless of the products, are, shall we say-anomalies... i don't want to start a thread on this, but even the most reknowned artists, sculpters, etcetera, whose names, work, and fame span centuries, worked with assistants and/or apprentices. it is with this in mind that i wonder why so many folks eschew production work, as if the bicycle (in this instance...) is sullied because it was made by the staff of...rather than by the man himself. often, it's if it's a collaborative effort. e-RICHIE chester, ct

On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:30:17 -0500 (EST) writes:
>
> > thanks. but the only concession i make to the ol' fashioned
> > way is that my tubes are joined with lugs. otherwise, they are
> > not made or marketed to invoke the 'past' unless someone
> >specifically orders a retro-ish frame.
> > e-RICHIE
> > ubersensitive in chester, ct!
> >
> Could Tom be referring to the one man approach? I sure
> don't want to start the "who built it" thread again.
> Or is it "old world craftsmanship"?
> either way you look at it, its sure different than
> the way modern frames are built by large shops
> (i.e. Colnago, Serotta, etc.).
> Marty "uberconfused" Eison
> Dallas, Texas
>
>
>

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