Re: [CR]Dead Tour bikes: was dead horse

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To: Grant.McLean@SportingLife.ca
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR]Dead Tour bikes: was dead horse
From: "Richard M Sachs" <richardsachs@juno.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:49:47 -0500

snipped: <Grant.McLean@SportingLife.ca> writes: Listers, E-Richie got it right. Moutainbikes killed the lugged steel frame, in the Tour and the marketplace. ********************************** at the risk of being redundant, here is my post from which the 'above' could be considered taken abit out of context. (posted last thursday)

snipped: the reason, in essence, that there are no lugged frames is this (and this is a VERY GENERAL overview...): in the 80s, companies of all shapes and sizes turned to mtb frames as their cash cow. with this came a complete indifference to the prevous era's road bicycle's conventions. lugs, and using lugs to make frames, is/was not a better way, it was _'the way'_ to join the tubes. over the past 20 years, this application was supplanted by other methods of doing the exact same thing-joining tubes. manufacturers embraced the 'other' ways, not because they were improvements in quality levels, but because it was a more efficient and profitable way to join tubes given the workforce available to them. with the advent of bigger tubes of both steel and aluminum, it would (have made) makes no sense to develop a lug system when other joining methods accomplish the exact same thing. using lugs has/had its good and its bad points. the same could be said for tig, etcetera. however, in this era it is unlikely that industry would embrace lug use for strictly emotional reasons. these lugged bicycles don't exist in the mainstream anymore due to economic reasons, not due to reasons relating to the industry's "working toward(s) a more competitive bike."
e-RICHIE
living outside the box
in chester, ct