I have been reading the discussion of if a lugged frame is still OK for pro level racing. I came up with some thoughts. The newer tig welded and aluminum frames are quicker and easier to assemble than a lugged frame (true)? I have a question for the frame builders out there. 3M and some other manufacturers are making a metal to metal adhesive for auto body repair. You can use on a structural member on a unibody car such as a quarter panel, a roof, a door skin and it is as strong as a weld. These parts take quite a load and are stressed as you drive. Could we put bonding adhesive between the tubes and the lugs making it quick, inexpensive and idiot proof (compared to welding) no heat would mean stronger tubes -- who wants to give it a try? Sam DiBartolomeo Riverside, CA