[CR]Frejus Brochure

(Example: Production Builders:Teledyne)

From: "Road Runner" <whoward1@rochester.rr.com>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
In-Reply-To: <20021220165901.23738.13090.Mailman@phred.org>
Subject: [CR]Frejus Brochure
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:47:38 -0500

Hi All,

As it turns out, I've got one more copy of the Frejus brochure. If anyone else wants one, contact me off list.

The copies turned out beautifully. Ain't technology wonderful! (Oops, wrong group,. You must like classic 60s era copiers.)

For those who already contacted me, I should get those in the mail today or Monday.

Regards,

Bill H.

Bill Howard 89 Arvine Heights Rochester, NY 14611

Residence: 585-436-2573 Cell: 585-733-5903 Fax: 585-279-0495

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Re: Coppi film/BVVW (John Pergolizzi) 2. Sixties Masi Special eBay outing (Chuck Schmidt) 3. 1973 Shimano Dura Ace group NOS (The Maaslands) 4. Re: Brooks B.17 Pro date? (Chuck Schmidt) 5. Re: CLB 'til When? (iBook) 6. RE: Sixties Masi Special eBay outing (David Bilenkey) 7. Regina Oro freewheel date? (Chuck Schmidt) 8. Re: Regina Oro freewheel date? (Steve Neago) 9. Re: torque values - be careful not to overtorque! (Steve Neago) 10. Cinelli restoration and serial numbers (Jay Sexton) 11. Re: Re: Coppi film (DavidS4410@aol.com) 12. Warning: Ebay Outing - Richard Sachs Frame, Flawless (J.S. Villaluz) 13. Coppi film, Il grande Fausto (Bike Works NYC) 14. ........whatever happened to the Raleigh girl? (eBay item 2150493975) (GRIFFKS@aol.com) 15. Re: Regina Oro freewheel date? (Chuck Schmidt) 16. RE: Frejus Brochure (Mark Bulgier) 17. Chesini frame (Johan Ericson) 18. Caps on Ebay (LouDeeter@aol.com) 19. Seeking Ted Kirkbride (r cielec) 20. RE: ........whatever happened to the Raleigh girl? (eBay item 2150493975) (Beyer Jr., Chris (C.C.)) 21. I: [CR]Sixties Masi Special eBay outing (The Maaslands) 22. Re: I: [CR]Sixties Masi Special eBay outing (wspokes@penn.com) 23. Re: Regina Oro freewheel date? (DavidS4410@aol.com) 24. Anyone seen this? (Mark Poore) 25. RE: CLB Ti(?) Brakeset (Kurt Sperry)

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Message: 1 From: "John Pergolizzi" <jtperry@worldnet.att.net> To: "David Perry" <bikeworks@bikecult.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Coppi film/BVVW Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:50:52 -0500

The next meeting of The BVVW (Brooklyn Vintage Velodrome Wheelmen), which is a tangent of Gruppo Sportivo Pergolizzi, will meet some time in early January. A spot w/ working VCR and TV is avail. (Mike Lebron apt.?). However the Omnipotent despot/Gran Pubah will be in sunny San Diego recharging his sprint as of Jan. 3'03 untill the end of March. Sooooo...if Italian is gonna be translated and amma gonna do it, then ...its gotta be ..Thursday January 2,2003. @5:30 ?

How's that? How long is the "show"? Bring all your Coppi stuff; bikes, jerseys(Brent?),books,pics.

John T.Pergolizzi
NYC
BVVW
G.S.P.


----- Original Message -----
From: David Perry
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:25 PM
Subject: [CR]Re: Coppi film



> I have access to a copy on VHS NTS tape.
> Copied when cast on RAI c.1996.
>
> It's a great show, great story, great credits.
> Somewhat convincing totally classic content.
>
> Italian interpreter needed.
> The TV at Bike Works is nice, but the VCR eats tape.
> How about viewing at G.S. Pergolizzi meeting,
> better yet, get place for the rollers, too.
>
> cheers,
> Dave Perry
> Bike Works NYC
> NYC and Bklyn
>
> _______________________________________________
>

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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:27:53 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Sixties Masi Special eBay outing

How about a 1960s Masi Special for under $400?

<http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1983475673&category=30749
>

Looks like one of our list members got an early present from Santa (check buyer's name in mirror ;)

Chuck Schmidt SoPas, SoCal

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Message: 3 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:31:07 -0500 From: The Maaslands <TheMaaslands@comcast.net> To: Classic Rendezvous <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]1973 Shimano Dura Ace group NOS

On German Ebay, there is somebody who is elling what appears to be a NOS 1973 Shimano Dura Ace group.

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1983301870&category=9194

Thsy claim it was mounted on a Colnago for the Milan show and then removed and packed away. For the appearance, teh story could be true.

Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ

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Message: 4 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:54:08 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Brooks B.17 Pro date?

Chuck Schmidt wrote:
>
> >From the Holdsworthy (London) "Bike-Riders Aids 1965":
>
> "One of the few British components used by top continental Pros. B.17
> Professional (Illustrated). Designed to the suggestions of Pro' riders
> who in the past have had to 'butcher' saddles to achieve this shape. A
> specially selected butt leather top is fitted to a cambered back plate
> with large copper rivets. All 'spare' leather is trimmed from back and
> copper plated nose. Size 10 1/2" x 6" x 3", weight 25 ozs. complete
> with chrome clip, dressed or proofed -- £59/6
> Without clip, to suit standard Campag. pin No. 1044. 19 ozs. -- £55/6"
>
> The earliest reference I can find to the Brooks Pro is in the
> Holdsworthy Co. Ltd. Trade List (wholesale) for November 1964.
>
> Does anyone have an earlier reference to the Pro?

An update: In the January 1964 issue of Sporting Cyclist (GB magazine) there is a half page ad for the Brooks "Professional" saddle. With the magazine's two month lead time that would make this reference November 1964 (the previous months of the magazine show no similar ad).

Anyone seen some reference earlier than this?

Chuck Schmidt SoPas, SoCal

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Message: 5 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:56:00 -0600 From: iBook <wnwires@htc.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR] CLB 'til When?

The CLBs in question are not the lightest nor last of the superlight brakesets they produced. The SpaceLine was the last/ultimate, and they also were first produced in the Ti shaded color of Al and then in white at the end of the run (I'd say mid to late 80s from my reading of Le Cycle)-- any have any leads on those white ones???. The cable/housings were stretch-prone, otherwise the brakes themselves were just about the same as sidepulls of the day, which is to say that when I mount my vintage Vitus with SpaceLines, I have to factor in the less than adequate by today's standards braking.

Ken Wehrenberg, near St Louis

Chuck Schmidt wrote:

I don't believe these are ti. Logically there would be no reason to make them out of titanium. Titanium is heavier than aluminum and CLB makes (made?) aluminum brakes just like everyone else did beginning in the mid-1930s.

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Message: 6 From: "David Bilenkey" <dbilenkey@sympatico.ca> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]Sixties Masi Special eBay outing Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:56:33 -0500

Way to go Steven!!!

You have to share many detailed pictures of this bike with the group when it makes it into your collection. You lucky dog! :-D

That's got be a karma payback for selling the group those Campy decals so cheap!!

David Bilenkey Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
> -----Original Message-----
> From: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org
> [mailto:classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org]On Behalf Of Chuck Schmidt
> Sent: December 19, 2002 9:28 PM
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Sixties Masi Special eBay outing
>
>
> How about a 1960s Masi Special for under $400?
>
> <http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1983475673&category=30749
>
>
> Looks like one of our list members got an early present from Santa
> (check buyer's name in mirror ;)
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> SoPas, SoCal

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Message: 7 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:59:32 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Regina Oro freewheel date?

Months ago someone wondered about the intro date for Regina's Oro series freewheels (and chain).

A Holdsworthy catalog I was looking at this evening mentions that the Oro freewheel was being used by the pros in the July 1967 Tour de France. It also mentions that the freewheel was not for sale to the public at that point.

Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California

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Message: 8 From: "Steve Neago" <questor@cinci.rr.com> To: <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Regina Oro freewheel date? Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:05:10 -0500

Were there different types of freewheel bodies made for the Regina ORO? Do all Regina ORO series use the same splines and screw mounts in the same locations?

Regards, Steve Neago
Cincinnati, OH


----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Schmidt
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:59 PM
Subject: [CR]Regina Oro freewheel date?



> Months ago someone wondered about the intro date for Regina's Oro series
> freewheels (and chain).
>
> A Holdsworthy catalog I was looking at this evening mentions that the
> Oro freewheel was being used by the pros in the July 1967 Tour de
> France. It also mentions that the freewheel was not for sale to the
> public at that point.
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
>
> .
> _______________________________________________

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Message: 9 From: "Steve Neago" <questor@cinci.rr.com> To: "babylonn" <babylonn@compulink.gr> Cc: "classicrendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]torque values - be careful not to overtorque! Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:28:49 -0500

Hello Yannis,

I originally copied the torque values from The Third Hand bike tools = catalogue and posted the original torque values listing on the CR list = on June 10, 2002. The website you mention copied my original CR post = and apparently did not include my full message post.

In the post I also said:=20 "All suggested values are expressed in Inch-Lbs (not sure of metric conversion). CAUTION - I am unsure whether these values vary depending on the part manufacturer or whether part is made of alloy or steel..."

Please note that some of the values you mention from the Barnett = Bicycle Institute differ=20 in torque from what I posted. The Barnett values are for Mountain bike = and BMX bikes that=20 tend to have many steel components and these values are not suitable for = vintage alloy components because alloy parts break under stress. =20

Just a word to the wise, be careful not to over torque the bolts or you = may go home=20 more parts that you want to!

Regards, Steve Neago Cincinnati, OH

----- Original Message -----=20 From: "babylonn" <babylonn@compulink.gr> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 8:25 PM Subject: [CR]torque values


> Hello all,
> some days ago, somebody (sorry I can't remember who) mentioned the = need of a
> table presenting bike torque values.
> The following list (along with other FAQs) comes from
> http://draco.acs.uci.edu/rbfaq/FAQ/index.html
>=20
> "These torque values are from the Third Hand catalogue. All values = are in
> inch pounds (in lbs); to convert to foot pounds (ft lbs), divide by = 12.
>=20
> Stem binder bolt 100-120 Brake levers to handlebars = 75-95
> Handlebar binder 145-200 Brake cable binders = 55-75
> Controls to frame 35-45 Straddle nut (yoke) = 50-70
> Front shifter to frame 25-45 Brake pads to brake = 45-75
> Front shifter to cable binder 25-45 Brake dome nut = 50-80
> Rear shifter to frame 120-145 Crank bolt = 250-300
> Rear shifter cable binder 25-45 Chainring bolts = 100-120
> Jockey wheel bolt 25-45 Nutted front hub = 180
> Seat binder bolt 35-55 Nutted rear hub = 300
> Caliper brakes to frame 100-120 Water bottle cage = 25-35
> Cantilever brake to frame 45-60 Fender to frame bolts = 50-60
> Cantilever brake link wire 35-45 Toe clips to pedals = 25-45
> Kickstand 60
>=20
> [Here is another list of torque values from Barnett Bicycle Institute
> sent in by Richard Ney <rtn@gis.net>. All values are inch pounds.]
>=20
> BMX handlebar binder bolts 240
> BMX stem binder bolt 170-180
> Bottom bracket fixed cup 240-300
> Bottom bracket lockring 240-300
> Brake levers on drop handlebars 60-72
> Brake levers on MTB handlebars 36-60
> Cable carrier pinch nut 48-72
> Cantilever arm pinch nut/bolt 36-48
> Cantilever brake calliper mounting nut 24
> Cast-type BMX brake lever 36-60
> Centerpull calliper mounting nut 12-36
> Chainring bolts 48-72
> Clamp-mount shift lever bolt 24-30
> Cotterless crank arms 300-360
> Crank arm dust caps 48
> Crank extractor into crank arm 180-240
> Double bolt integral seat clamp bolts 72-96
> Drop handlebar binder bolt 205-240
> Drop bar stem binder bolt 145-170
> Front axle nuts (wheel mounting) 180-240
> Front derailleur cable pinch 36-48
> Front derailleur mounting bolt 36-48
> Handlebar end-mounted shifter 48
> Headset locknut 300 (minimum)
> Hub locknuts 175-220
> Mounting nut on threaded stud brake shoes 48-60
> MTB multiple handle binder bolt 60-84
> MTB single handlebar binder bolt 175-240
> MTB stem binder bolt 170-180
> Nonintegral seat clamp nuts 130-170
> One-piece bottom bracket fixed cone 300 (minimum)
> One-piece bottom bracket lock nut 240
> Pedal installation 350
> Pedal locknuts 100-125
> Rear axle nuts (wheel mounting) 240-300
> Rear derailleur cable pinch 36-48
> Rear derailleur to hanger 72-84
> Rollercam cam plate pinch nut 48-72
> Rollercam roller locknut 36-48
> Seat post binder bolt 72-96
> Sidepull calliper cable pinch 48-72
> Sidepull calliper mounting nut 72-84
> Sidepull calliper pivot locknut 48-72
> Single bolt integral seatclamp bolt 120-145
> Stem mounted shift lever bolt 24-30
> Thumb shifter mounting bolt 12-18 "
>=20
> I hope it will save some nuts and bolts
>=20
> Yannis Papaioannidis
> from -too slippery for my Hutchinsons- Athens Greece
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---
> ----
>=20
>=20
> _______________________________________________

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Message: 10 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:33:06 -0800 From: Jay Sexton <jvs@sonic.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Cinelli restoration and serial numbers

Thank you to everyone who responded to my verbose first post to this list. I am still reading and absorbing advice and information. Bring it on!! Charles Andrews commented on the seemingly random serial number dating system on Mark Petry's site. I found Marks site to be extremely informative and valueable, but I too was left without a clue as to when my bike was made, which is why I threw it out to the pack. I am not criticizing Marks site, so don't flame me. I get the impression that things around the Cinelli factory were relaxed when it came to serial numbers. They probably had more important things to do like ride bicycles. So I second the question; is there some rhyme or reason? Jay Sexton Sonoma County, CA

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Message: 11 From: DavidS4410@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:48:42 EST Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Coppi film To: bikeworks@bikecult.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

How can I get a copy? Dave Staub

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Message: 12 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:31:00 -0500 From: "J.S. Villaluz" <jose@villaluz.net> Reply-To: <jose@villaluz.net> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Warning: Ebay Outing - Richard Sachs Frame, Flawless

Hi all,

One more Richard Sachs frame hits the auction block...

Jose "making room for a Sachs frame on the way that fits" Villaluz Westport, CT.

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Message: 13 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:41:12 -0500 From: Bike Works NYC <bikeworks@bikecult.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Coppi film, Il grande Fausto

Hold your Bianchi's on that Coppi tape.

I found Part II but not Part I. It may take awhile to find it among two dozen tapes, especially since I no longer do TV.

Trying to find program notes, I came upon these tidbits:

Video: Coppi: l'airone ha chiuso le ali (the bird has closed his wings) Logos TV, Torino, #5 of Videociclismo series.

TV film drama: Il Grande Fausto 1995 Erre Cinematografica-Rai, 100 min., prod. Angelo Rizzoli, dir. Alberto Sironi, with Sergio Castellitto (Fausto), Evelyne Bouix (Fausto's wife Bruna Ciampolini Coppi), Ornella Muti (la Dama bianca Giulia Occhini), Bruno Ganz (Biagio Cavanna).

Film: Tot=F2 al Giro d'Italia 1948 Italy

Theater: Un uomo solo al comando (a man alone in control) 1979 Teatro Aperto (Open Theater), Bologne.

Skandalon (W Fausto Coppi) 1985 Belgium, Ren=E9 Kalinsky.

cheers, Dave Perry Bike Works NYC

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Message: 14 From: GRIFFKS@aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:39:58 EST To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]........whatever happened to the Raleigh girl? (eBay item 2150493975)

..........something of interest on eBay at the moment (item 2150493975) maybe for you depraved "droolers" who waxed lyrical over the Raleigh girl poster a couple of years ago, anyone still have a copy of that? seasons greetings Griff King-Spooner (London UK)

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Message: 15 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:10:56 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Regina Oro freewheel date?

Steve Neago wrote:
>
> Were there different types of freewheel bodies made for the Regina ORO? Do
> all Regina ORO series use the same splines and screw mounts in the same
> locations?

There are notched bodies and splined bodies (referring to the style of freewheel remover). I have heard that the splined bodies were originally made for Schwinn (can anyone confirm?).

Chuck Schmidt SoPas, SoCal

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Message: 16 From: Mark Bulgier <mark@bulgier.net> To: 'Road Runner' <whoward1@rochester.rr.com>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]Frejus Brochure Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:40:03 -0800

"Road Runner" Bill H wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm kind of on the run,

Well of course, you are the Roadrunner, are you not?!
> I took the poster to Kinko's to have it duplicated. I'm
> getting 10 copies [snip]

I hope one of the lucky recipients will scan said materials and pass them on to one of the fine webmasters on the list who can publish it for the rest of us.

If none of the classy webpages want your stuff though, there's always bulgier.net, the storage unit of last resort. Check out http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/ to see just how primitive and ugly it can be, how hard it can be to find anything! The motto on the home page is "Proudly Amateurish", which of course gives amateurs everywhere a bad name - so sue me!

But I just added some more disks, so we gotta fill 'em up. C'mon, keep those scanners hummin'.

Mark Bulgier Seattle, Wa USA

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Message: 17 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:16:54 +0100 From: "Johan Ericson" <johan.ericson@logicoffice.se> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Chesini frame

Hello list =20 Just picked up a nice frame for free. A Chesini ca -80-83. Columbus SL and very nicely put together. Engraved seatstay caps, headtube, fork crown. Chrome right chain stays and fork. Very good condition and no apparent damage. Was laying in a garbage container!! Will take it to the police and hopefully I will be able to pick it up from there in about a month. =20 My question is: The frame has the text "thre times world champion" (in italian). Does any one know when and ridden by who(m)? =20 Regards Johan Ericson Stockholm, Sweden =20 =20

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Message: 18 From: LouDeeter@aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:11:47 EST To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Caps on Ebay

<A HREF="http://ebay.com/<blah> me=ADME:X:ON:US:2">http://ebay.com/<blah> 6126& ssPageName=ADME:X:ON:US:2</A>

I was bidding on these, but another bidder has shown up and I really don't know what I would do with them. 6 cycling caps, couple Campagnolo. Good luck. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL

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Message: 19 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 05:41:45 -0800 (PST) From: r cielec <teaat4p@yahoo.com> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Seeking Ted Kirkbride

Does anyone have an e-mail address for Ted Kirkbride? I am researching outside the time limits of the CR list.

Thanks.

Richard Cielec

Chicago, Illinois

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Message: 20 From: "Beyer Jr., Chris (C.C.)" <cbeyer2@volvocars.com> To: "'GRIFFKS@aol.com'" <GRIFFKS@aol.com>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]........whatever happened to the Raleigh girl? (eBay item 2150493975) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:47:40 -0500

Griff, et al:

The Raleigh Girl is safely ensconced on my dining room wall. Acid-free mounting and UV-blocking glass will ensure her a long and happy existence.

The tackiness of those frame wraps on the referenced eBay auction would suggest an appropriate paint scheme for a Land Shark.......................

Chris _________________________________________________ Chris Beyer Volvo Cars of North America, LLC Customer Relations Rockleigh, NJ USA

Telephone: 800.550.5658 E-mail: CBeyer2@volvocars.com

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Message: 21 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:32:28 -0500 From: The Maaslands <TheMaaslands@comcast.net> Subject: I: [CR]Sixties Masi Special eBay outing To: Classic Rendezvous <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

Chuck wrote:
> How about a 1960s Masi Special for under $400?
>
> <http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1983475673&category=30749
>
>
> Looks like one of our list members got an early present from Santa

I admit that I am the lucker winner of the auction. I would however like to point out that it will actually cost me more than what Chuck wrote because the Euro is presently valued just above par against the dollar. Not that a few dollars will come close to making it any less of a deal. As one of you wrote in an off-list note, the cycling gods must be looking down upon me in favor.

Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for a happy, socially-responsible, gender neutral, environmentally- friendly celebration of the winter solstice holiday (if you happen to live in the Northern Hemisphere), or of the summer solstice holiday (if you happen to live in the Southern Hemisphere), practiced within the religious or secular traditions of your choice, or non-religious practice of your choice. Due respect is hereby given to calendars of other cultures that do not celebrate this same solstice. Similarly, respect is given to the recipients of this greeting regardless of their creed, race, colour, age, sex, physical ability, religious faith, sexual preference, choice of computer platform, and human or non-human companion of choice. By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It implies no promise by the wisher, nor his or her retainer(s), to actually implement the wishes referred to. Any wish is void if prohibited by law. Any wish is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. Warranty of the wishes is restricted to the legal minimum regarding wishes. Warranty is restricted solely to the replacement of this wish should it be found in any way wanting. No responsibility can be accepted for other damage caused by a faulty wish. Issuance of a new wish shall remain at the discretion of the wisher unless compelled by law. Regards,

Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ

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Message: 22 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:53:31 -0500 From: <wspokes@penn.com> To: The Maaslands <TheMaaslands@comcast.net> Cc: Classic Rendezvous <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Reply-To: wspokes@penn.com Subject: Re: I: [CR]Sixties Masi Special eBay outing
>Warranty is restricted
> solely to the replacement of this wish should
> it be found in any way
> wanting.

My wish broke while I was just riding along!

Walt "JRA" Skrzypek Falls Creekian...pennsylvanian...

On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:32:28 -0500 The Maaslands <TheMaaslands@comcast.net> wrote:
> Chuck wrote:
>
> > How about a 1960s Masi Special for under
> $400?
> >
> >
>
> >
> > Looks like one of our list members got an
> early present from Santa
>
> I admit that I am the lucker winner of the
> auction. I would however like to
> point out that it will actually cost me more
> than what Chuck
> wrote because the Euro is presently valued just
> above par against the
> dollar.
> Not that a few dollars will come close to
> making it any less of a deal. As
> one
> of you wrote in an off-list note, the cycling
> gods must be looking down upon
> me in favor.
>
> Please accept with no obligation, implied or
> implicit, my best wishes for a
> happy, socially-responsible, gender neutral,
> environmentally- friendly
> celebration of the winter solstice holiday (if
> you happen to live in the
> Northern Hemisphere), or of the summer solstice
> holiday (if you happen to
> live in the Southern Hemisphere), practiced
> within the religious or secular
> traditions of your choice, or non-religious
> practice of your choice. Due
> respect is hereby given to calendars of other
> cultures that do not celebrate
> this same solstice. Similarly, respect is
> given to the recipients of this
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Message: 23 From: DavidS4410@aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:54:30 EST Subject: Re: [CR]Regina Oro freewheel date? To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

Yes, I believe that it is so that splined freewheels were originally produced for Schwinn, originally from Maillard. Dave Staub

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Message: 24 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:42:31 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Poore <rauler83@yahoo.com> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Anyone seen this?

Interesting,

http://ebay.com/<blah> rd=1

Mark Poore

Skiing wet in Slatyfork, WV

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Message: 25 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:57:02 -0500 From: kurtsperry@netscape.net (Kurt Sperry) To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]RE: CLB Ti(?) Brakeset

Chuck Schmidt wrote:

I don't believe these are ti. Logically there would be no reason to make them out of titanium. Titanium is heavier than aluminum and CLB makes (made?) aluminum brakes just like everyone else did beginning in the mid-1930s.

I would, however, believe they are 'ti-color' anodized aluminum calipers...

Chuck Schmidt SoPas, SoCal

Another listmember wrote me off-list (I don't know the etiquette here, so I will withhold the name of the sender given that it was sent to me off list):

"These are Ti Calipers. Part of a set of Ti Calipers and Levers that CLB produced in the late 70's (I believe 1978)."

The seller says that they are Ti, they LOOK Ti. As for why one might make a caliper set from Ti, the specific properties of Ti v Al alloys are such that even given Ti's slightly higher density, most anything one can make in Al alloy can in fact be done lighter in Ti alloy if one reduces the volume of metal used to take advantage of Ti's considerably higher (moreso with more modern alloys such as 3Al/2.5V and 6Al/4V which were available if exceedingly uncommon in the '70s) specific strength properties.

On the other hand, it could have been purely marketing driven as well. If I'd known one could have a bought decent functioning Ti alloy brakeset in '78, I probably would have bought one then just for the WOW factor!

If one did a Magistroni or Williams style cottered thin arm crank in good Ti alloy, other than perhaps being a bit flexy, I think it might make a dynamite superlight crank even by modern standards.

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