[CR]Was Colnago (and others)..now somewhat off topic

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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 16:44:24 +0100
Thread-Topic: Was Colnago (and others)..now somewhat off topic
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From: "Johan Ericson" <johan.ericson@logicoffice.se>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: [CR]Was Colnago (and others)..now somewhat off topic

Hello List<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

In my text - "On Colnago (and others) dating (warning - long)" the following lines aroused some intrest and people has mailed me their opinions off list.

"A frame built 1979 could have been built up 1981 with components made in 1978 and then sold in 1982. What year is it from?"

I am also into Vintage boats (1939 mahogany runabout). In that hobby and here in Sweden there is a discussion on what is an original vintage boat. The question arised when someone asked "what is the soul of a boat". What is the boat? Is it the hull? Is it the frame of the hull? Is it the nameplate? Etc. When does a boat turn from beeing the original boat to something else?

Many boat fans over here says that the way some american boat restorers do it - ie builds a new boat and uses just the name is wrong. That's a new boat they say. What is the diffrence from building a new boat from old original drawings? Where should one draw the line?

The debate thickened when someone asked the following - If a vintage boat buff at one point find the boat "X" that has a almost good hull but the deck, interior and everything else is shot. He uses most of the hull and build everything else up to original standard with the right materials and methods. The boat is his pride and joy. 20 years later someone else finds the parts that he rejected and during the 20 years the opinion of what is usable has changed. Guy 2 says "Hey I found the boat "X" (not knowing of the first guy) and builds a new hull with some of the wood from the original and restores all of the other parts.

Who has the boat "X"? From what year is it?

Change all the maritim words to the bike world and think about it. Maybe a bike rode by Coppi or Merckx?

Regards
Johan Ericson
Stockholm, Sweden.