Thanks Chuck .
I didn't remember it was 1964 ( earliest date so far ) .
But , to be clear , when was the release of the Brooks Professional ?
And , when was the release of the Brooks Team Professional ( with the large , hand-hammered , rivets ) ?
I was fairly sure that the ones with really large , hand-hammered ( planished ) rivets , appeared along with the very first Raleigh Team Professional bicycles ( 1973-1974 ? ) .
http://bulgier.net/
http://bulgier.net/
( thanks Mark ! )
P.S. If you can see some similarities between the "hammered" finish on your fine aluminum alloy fenders , and the "hammered" finish on your fine copper saddle rivets ( especially the earliest ones ) , and the "hammered" finish on your fine silver bowl on display in your formal dining room , it's called "planishing" . It is done with a planishing hammer .
For example :
http://www.lacywest.com/
( my dad was a silversmith , had his own hallmark and everything )
Raoul Delmare
Marysville Kansas
> Ken Toda wrote:
> >
> (cut)
> > Mian question is; when did Brooks Prof. Large Rivet saddle become
avilable?
>
>
> Here's a post from last month:
>
>
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> Subject:
> Re: [CR]Brooks B.17 Pro large rivet date?
> Date:
> Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:54:08 -0700
> From:
> Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To:
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> Chuck Schmidt wrote:
> >
> > >From the Holdsworthy (London) "Bike-Riders Aids 1965":
> >
> > "One of the few British components used by top continental Pros. B.17
> > Professional (Illustrated). Designed to the suggestions of Pro' riders
> > who in the past have had to 'butcher' saddles to achieve this shape. A
> > specially selected butt leather top is fitted to a cambered back plate
> > with large copper rivets. All 'spare' leather is trimmed from back and
> > copper plated nose. Size 10 1/2" x 6" x 3", weight 25 ozs. complete
> > with chrome clip, dressed or proofed -- £59/6
> > Without clip, to suit standard Campag. pin No. 1044. 19 ozs. -- £55/6"
> >
> > The earliest reference I can find to the Brooks Pro is in the
> > Holdsworthy Co. Ltd. Trade List (wholesale) for November 1964.
> >
> > Does anyone have an earlier reference to the Pro?
>
> An update:
> In the January 1964 issue of Sporting Cyclist (GB magazine) there is a
> half page ad for the Brooks "Professional" large rivet saddle. With the
> magazine's two month lead time that would make this reference November
> 1964 (the previous months of the magazine show no similar ad).
>
> Anyone seen some reference earlier than this?
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> SoPas, SoCal
>
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> Chuck Schmidt
> SoPas, SoCal
>
> .