Re: [CR]Help needed with identifying U.K. frame, please!!

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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 12:45:19 +1300
From: "David Benson" <tech@worrall.co.nz>
To: Patrick@aardvark-pro.com
Subject: Re: [CR]Help needed with identifying U.K. frame, please!!
References: <008401c2cc6f$6e667600$0800005a@DaveP>
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

Dave, The frame has a some of features similar to a couple of 1950's Holdsworths that I've seen and one that I own:

1/ The fish tails on the BB shell are similar to those on my '56 Holdsworth Whirlwind. I can check tonight, but I think that mine has the same RGF stamping, but definitely no grease port.

2/ A friend has a Holdsworth track frame with the same dropouts, but without the mudguard eyes. His frame has the same lugs as my Whirlwind, so I presume that it is mid-50s also.

My Whirlwind, and my friend's track frame have the frame numbers stamped on the LH dropout, and on the steerer tube. Does your frame have a fork?

David Benson Auckand, New Zealand


>I purchased a frameset a few months back, sight-unseen, being told it was a
>1960's Holdsworth track frame. Well, I am having my doubts about this,
>particularly the 1960's vintage. First off, the bike is a time trial frame,
>with mudguard eyes and drilling for a front brake in the fork crown. The
>lugs are a bit reminiscent of some 1950's Holdsworth patterns that I've seen
>on Norman Kilgariff's Holdsworth site, but not exact. I've run these photos
>by Norman and he's unsure, but leaning towards the frame NOT being a
>Holdsworth. Bob Reid, who has the Flying Scot site, has been kind enough to
>post a few pics for fellow CR members to view, so this link is listed below.
>Richard Sachs was kind enough to point out the Gargette bottom bracket
>w/grease port. What about those rear dropouts? Also, the bottom bracket is
>stamped "3258 H", with the "H" looking like two numeral "1"s side by side,
>with a cross bar stamped between. Any help anyone can give me would be
>greatly appreciated. Thank you very much for your help.
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>Dave Patrick
>Chelsea, Michigan USA
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>http://www.flying-scot.co.uk/other_marques/holdsworth.html