I do not know the answer to this question but.., La Vie Claire gets my nomination for best Jersey ever, period. Richard (Mondrian) Rose (Toledo, Ohio) P.S. I sure wish Alex @ vintagevelos.com would reproduce that design in wool. Sign me up!
-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Dave Hickey Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 9:36 AM To: 'classicrendezvous@bikelist.org' Subject: [CR]Reynolds 753 La Vie Claire LOOK frames.
Does anyone know who made the mid-80's LOOK Reynolds 753 frames? I don't think LOOK made their own steel frames.
Thanks
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Today's Topics:
1. W.A. and Way-assauto (Aldo Ross) 2. Help Required 3. Bozzi catalog - Salvatubo? (Aldo Ross) 4. Re: Proposing a "Doughnut" contest at Le Cirque (Ben Kamen) 5. NOW: Cinelli Colorado Edition bar & stem WAS: Help Required (Chuck Schmidt) 6. Fwd: [CR]Bozzi catalog - Salvatubo? (Mara & Steven Maasland) 7. New low for Cinelli Bivalent wheelset on eBay? (Chuck Schmidt) 8. Re: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: bikelist: host not found) 9. Re: Gian Robert Derailleur (Byron Morton) 10. Re: Re: Proposing a "Doughnut" contest at Le Cirque (Steven L. Sheffield) 11. Re: New low for Cinelli Bivalent wheelset on eBay? (Aldo Ross) 12. Re: New low for Cinelli Bivalent wheelset on eBay? (Chuck Schmidt) 13. Sturmey Archer 5 speed introduction? (David Benson) 14. Re: Sturmey Archer 5 speed introduction? (Hilary Stone) 15. Reflections upon hitting the eBay Century mark (100 feedbacks) (Thomas R. Adams, Jr.) 16. for sale 17. Bicycle advertisements from the 40's for sale (Mara & Steven Maasland) 18. FS: Shimano STI cable stops (Jon M. Schaer) 19. Re: Re: Proposing a "Doughnut" contest at Le Cirque (Raoul Delmare)
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:06:34 -0500 From: "Aldo Ross" <swampmtn@siscom.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]W.A. and Way-assauto Message-ID: <006901c2ce1b$406cb4a0$6cf9fea9@j4g1x1> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1
Looking through the Emilio Bozzi catalog I see quite a few parts made by = "W.A" - seat binder bolts, crank bolts, headsets, pedals, bottom = brackets, etc. Is that the same company as "Way-assauto"? Am I = speeling that right?
Thanks for any info.
Aldo Ross Middletown, Ohio
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:07:14 EST From: Cantiflex@aol.com To: CLASSICRENDEZVOUS@BIKELIST.ORG Subject: [CR]Help Required Message-ID: <146.9c7acf9.2b741a72@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2
Hi List, Can anyone offer information on the following please ? I have a set of NOS Cinelli bars and stem The stem is similar to a 1R type, steel/blue anodised and has 2 triangular 'plates' on the sides which are bright/chrome plated The bars are similar shape to the 66, steel/blue anodised and are engraved'Colorado' one side and 'limited edition' with repeat of the triangular design on the other. Any help on this would be welcome. Thanks Ray...... still tartless but am STILL coming to the Cirq..try and stop me....Etherton Maldon, UK.
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:23:22 -0500 From: "Aldo Ross" <swampmtn@siscom.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Bozzi catalog - Salvatubo? Message-ID: <008501c2ce1d$992afd20$6cf9fea9@j4g1x1> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3
Again from the Bozzi catalog, page 187 - what is item 2766 = Salvamanubrio? And item 2768 Salvatubo? And what are the 4 Silca items = shown at the bottom of the page?
Thanks again for any info.
Aldo Ross Middletown, Ohio
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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 15:23:11 -0500 From: Ben Kamen <benkamenphoto@nyc.rr.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Re: Proposing a "Doughnut" contest at Le Cirque Message-ID: <BA682E5F.3E3B%benkamenphoto@nyc.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <CATFOODTu86mTcrrqOy000019a0@catfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4
2/6/03 8:04 AMclassicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org
> Sure, you can bring a tart. The judge likes petite natural types with
a
> good sense of humor. ;-) What flavor do you like?
>
> Brian Baylis
> La Mesa, CA
> What other fun words can we pervert?
>
>
>>
>> Can I bring a tart instead ?
Yya kidding me?
It's not even competition unless there's mention of Crumpet.
Sorry chaps, with regard to supremity of KK's (?) sweet dough holes i couldn't agreee *less* - its either 4 for $1 plain donuts from my local family bakery, or 3 for $1 Churros from the street vendor who risks deportation just to make some coin -or- in a real Parisian bistro i quite fancy them high-zoot beignet a la creme's accompanied with a glass of gewurtztraminer or botrytis (when im being taken out for dinner by some lucky chick).
As polite as i can say it - there are three things i wouldn't be caught dead holding; a Krispy Kreme, an L.L. Bean catalogue or a wedding ring. To me they all spell some form of approved bourgeois consumer creeping death/cliche. Iits gotta be cheap and dirty or magnificently lavish and expensive - the same way i like my Crumpet.
Llife is too short to be the same. Art is in the extreme's.
Classic bicycle content: street vendor churros fit great in a jersey pocket and you dont have to get off yer bike and duckwaddle in cleats. I might not have changed the world by buying them but they have saved me on a ride or two.
donuts = dough-buts
Anyway, who's judging this contest?
I may head down just to take the prize with my family recipe for
Pavlova.
http://www.pastrywiz.com/
>From then on it will be like the america's cup - residing in the
southern
hemisphere (down-under) where you can say bugger in a bar (pub) without
being offered drinks.
ciao,
ben "doesn't root for anyone but himself" kamen NYC
**** mine is only ever topped with fresh passionfruit pulp, kiwi fruit and strawberries
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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 12:34:23 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: CLASSICRENDEZVOUS@BIKELIST.ORG Subject: [CR]NOW: Cinelli Colorado Edition bar & stem WAS: Help Required Message-ID: <3E42B8BB.3C787757@earthlink.net> References: <146.9c7acf9.2b741a72@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net Message: 5
Ray Etherton wrote:
>
> Hi List,
> Can anyone offer information on the following please ?
> I have a set of NOS Cinelli bars and stem
> The stem is similar to a 1R type, steel/blue anodised and has 2
triangular
> 'plates' on the sides which are bright/chrome plated
> The bars are similar shape to the 66, steel/blue anodised and are
> engraved'Colorado' one side and 'limited edition' with repeat of the
> triangular design on the other.
This was the Cinelli "Colorado Limited Edition" stem and bar. It was made for the Colorado Springs World Championships in 1986. The bar and stem came in a nice black nylon, yellow zippered bag (small duffel style) with the Colorado Worlds logo silkscreened in white.
I think I remember these on the neutral support bikes, blue Eddy Merckxs. Anyone else remember this?
Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California
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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 15:36:09 -0500 From: Mara & Steven Maasland <TheMaaslands@comcast.net> To: Classic Rendezvous <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Fwd: [CR]Bozzi catalog - Salvatubo? Message-ID: <e876ac95.ac95e876@icomcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 6
The salvamanubrio is exactly what the words mean: handlebar protect. It is a simple device that was mounted onto upright bars (and less often on drop bars)at the point where one would normally lean the bike up against the wall. Made out of a soft rubber, it would not only protect the chrome on the handlebars, but also prevent the bike from sliding and falling. It should be noted that apart from the occasional stand built into the rear carrier, Italy was very averse to BB mounted kick- stands, so either these handlebar protectors were used on their own or in conjunction with saddle clamp mounted pop-out stays. I have just such a stay on my 30's vintage Bianchi city bike.
The salvatubo is used on step-through frames to protect the finish of the frame when you are stepping through. It is basically a tube that fits over the frame tube.
Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ
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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 12:47:24 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]New low for Cinelli Bivalent wheelset on eBay? Message-ID: <3E42BBC7.6FD66545@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net Message: 7
Sounds like a bargain for a Spence Wolfe (Cupertino Bike Shop) built, near new condition, Cinelli Bivalent wheelset on eBay: $676.00.
Chuck Schmidt SoPas, SoCal
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:47:20 EST From: TonyFNitro@aol.com To: CLASSICRENDEZVOUS@BIKELIST.ORG, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Cc: TonyFNitro@aol.com Subject: [CR] Re: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: bikelist: host not found) Message-ID: <1e8.130bc28.2b7423d8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:50:02 -0800 (PST) From: Byron Morton <koga_miyata2002@yahoo.com> To: Dan Rivers <rollfast@aci.on.ca>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Gian Robert Derailleur Message-ID: <20030206205002.70096.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <002c01c2ce14$bc9c41a0$ab5332d1@dan02m63y6x8ip> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9
Dan,
Check the archives:
http://search.bikelist.org/
I've got a Gian Robert, but mine is of the cheaper
stamped-steel variety. It seems they did make some
high end parts at some point. It'd be great if you
could share a photo of your Gian Robert with the list.
Cheers,
Byron Morton
Nashville, TN
> I have a 50's Torpado a beautiful original bicycle.
> The one odd thing about it is that it has a Gian
> Robert shifter and rear derailleur. I have never
> been able to find any information on this gear even
> though it appears to be of very good quality
> (similar quality to Campagnolo). I would appreciate
> any info on this gear.
> Dan Rivers
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:57:15 -0500 From: "Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com> To: Ben Kamen <benkamenphoto@nyc.rr.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Proposing a "Doughnut" contest at Le Cirque Message-ID: <jUsT.aNoTheR.mEsSaGe.iD.104456505315425@veloworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Reply-To: stevens@veloworks.com Message: 10
At Thursday, 06 February 2003, Ben Kamen <benkamenphoto@nyc.rr.com>
wrote:
>2/6/03 8:04 AMclassicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org
>
>> Sure, you can bring a tart. The judge likes petite natural types
with a
>> good sense of humor. ;-) What flavor do you like?
>>
>> Brian Baylis
>> La Mesa, CA
>> What other fun words can we pervert?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Can I bring a tart instead ?
>
>Yya kidding me?
>
>It's not even competition unless there's mention of Crumpet.
Who's a strumpet? And where can I get one?
--
Steven L. Sheffield stevens at veloworks dot com veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net bellum pax est libertas servitus est nescio robur est ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:08:07 -0500 From: "Aldo Ross" <swampmtn@siscom.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]New low for Cinelli Bivalent wheelset on eBay? Message-ID: <001b01c2ce23$d9c46820$6cf9fea9@j4g1x1> References: <3E42BBC7.6FD66545@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11
Maybe some folks were waiting to bid on these instead:
aldo ross
Middlwtowneo, Ohio
> Sounds like a bargain for a Spence Wolfe (Cupertino Bike Shop) built,
> near new condition, Cinelli Bivalent wheelset on eBay: $676.00.
>
>
http://ebay.com/
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> SoPas, SoCal
>
> .
> _______________________________________________
>
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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 13:22:52 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]New low for Cinelli Bivalent wheelset on eBay? Message-ID: <3E42C41A.8B1E7ADB@earthlink.net> References: <3E42BBC7.6FD66545@earthlink.net> <001b01c2ce23$d9c46820$6cf9fea9@j4g1x1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net Message: 12
Aldo Ross wrote:
>
> Maybe some folks were waiting to bid on these instead:
>
>
http://ebay.com/
Personally I'd put a higher value on the Spence Wolfe built wheels. Spence was an early importer of Cinelli on the west coast (Silicon Valley). Pretty well known guy; there was an article on Spence in the old Winning magazine.
Chuck Schmidt SoPas, SoCal
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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 10:26:39 +1300 From: David Benson <tech@worrall.co.nz> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Sturmey Archer 5 speed introduction? Message-ID: <3E42D30F.10106@worrall.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13
Can anyone on the list tell me when Sturmey Archer introduced the 5-speed rear hub?
Thanks David Benson Auckland, NZ
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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 21:58:33 +0000 From: Hilary Stone <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk> To: David Benson <tech@worrall.co.nz>, Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Sturmey Archer 5 speed introduction? Message-ID: <BA688B08.EBBD%hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3E42D30F.10106@worrall.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14
SA introduced the S5 in 1967 - there have been a number of variants since the early 1980s S5/1, S5/2 etc
Hilary Stone, Bristol, England
David Benson wrote:
> Can anyone on the list tell me when Sturmey Archer introduced the
> 5-speed rear hub?
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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 22:07:02 +0000 From: "Thomas R. Adams, Jr." <kctommy@msn.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Reflections upon hitting the eBay Century mark (100 feedbacks) Message-ID: <F27YVUW1FwCx5xoljTD00035c53@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15
During a busy round of ebay searching and bidding this morning, I noticed that my feedback counter had rolled over into triple digits. 100 feedbacks. Then almost immediately, 101. So I guess I can no longer claim to be a casual e-bayer. And over 90% of these feedbacks are for buying bicycle items.
Of course I'm small potatoes compared to many list members, who are up into 4 digits. But it's time to admit that this bike thing is no longer a casual hobby. Hobby still, but not casual.
I looked at my profile. How appropriate that the item that rolled me over is a pair of Detto Pietro cycling shoes. Lucious black perforated leather with no shrieking, discordant colored patches, not Look, SPD or Time compatible, and no sissy premounted cleats. I'll have to find my pair of TA Anquitel short shank metal cleats (feedback # 35 or so), then find an old Italian cobbler to put them on. I had one of those back in Detroit in the long ago days when I started cycling and needed cleats nailed onto my dutch Medalist shoes. He got excited when he saw the shoes, and told me he had watched Coppi and Bartali dueling in the Giro back when he was a wee lad in the old country. Callow youth that I was, I didn't know what the heck he was gabbing about.
Should I be concerned? Am I out of control? Is this all good for me? Who cares! There's a new bike to put together and the Monson swap meet to prep for. Come on up, and see what I've bought! I think I've still got most of it. And you can buy it from me, so I can go back and buy more stuff!
Tom (it beats drugs or gambling) Adams, Shrewsbury NJ
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:42:57 EST From: TonyFNitro@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]for sale Message-ID: <97.33bed5ce.2b743ef1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16
greetings
gitane listed for sale has vitus road ends and a vitus 980 chrome fork that is worth the price of frames milano sport has campy road ends
question
did vitus ever make a fork with a backwards curve in the
middle of fork.i have a 979 fork like this and was told it was bent but bends on both blades are very uniform and
.i see no damage.
thanks robbie fellows long beach,ca.
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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 17:49:00 -0500 From: Mara & Steven Maasland <TheMaaslands@comcast.net> To: Classic Rendezvous <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Bicycle advertisements from the 40's for sale Message-ID: <19ee71950e.1950e19ee7@icomcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 17
On Italian Ebay, there are a few interesting items for cycling
memorabilia collectors. There is advert for Gnutti, an advert for Prina
bicycles from Asti and a catalog with the Ganna line of bikes. They are
all being offered by the same seller, so go to this item and then look
at all the other items sold by the same seller:
http://cgi.ebay.it/
Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 18:49:08 -0500 From: "Jon M. Schaer" <jschaer@columbus.rr.com> To: "IBOB List" <internet-bob@bikelist.org>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]FS: Shimano STI cable stops Message-ID: <001b01c2ce3a$5a80a300$dabcd018@columbus.rr.com> References: <14c.1b3b7712.2b6fa005@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18
Not much to say. Stock Shimano STI-model cable stops. Two stops, two bolts. The RH (rear) one is the special ramped type, not a barrel adjuster. $10/set, plus USPS padded envelope shipping (@ $3?). I think I have four sets.
Jon Schaer Columbus, OH
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 18:28:39 -0600 From: "Raoul Delmare" <R.Delmare@Charter.net> To: "Ben Kamen" <benkamenphoto@nyc.rr.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Proposing a "Doughnut" contest at Le Cirque Message-ID: <003001c2ce3f$dcb66e40$7b257044@nebi.com> References: <BA682E5F.3E3B%benkamenphoto@nyc.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19
RIGHT !!
You Lot !!
I was keeping myself quiet during the "tart" comments .
But , when we start talking about "crumpet" ,
And then to make mention of both "bugger" , and "root" as well !!!
Shocking !! Simply Shocking !!
And I HAD thought that this was a "family" Web-site-posting-what-do-you-actually-call-this-thing-anyway !!
I will close this message by stating , in my very MOST huffy tones ,
Well !! I Never !!
Sincerely ,
Cheap And Cheerful ,
Raoul Delmare
Marysville Kansas
> 2/6/03 8:04 AMclassicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org
>
> > Sure, you can bring a tart. The judge likes petite natural types
with a
> > good sense of humor. ;-) What flavor do you like?
> >
> > Brian Baylis
> > La Mesa, CA
> > What other fun words can we pervert?
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Can I bring a tart instead ?
>
> Yya kidding me?
>
> It's not even competition unless there's mention of Crumpet.
>
> Sorry chaps, with regard to supremity of KK's (?) sweet dough holes i
> couldn't agreee *less* - its either 4 for $1 plain donuts from my
local
> family bakery, or 3 for $1 Churros from the street vendor who risks
> deportation just to make some coin -or- in a real Parisian bistro i
quite
> fancy them high-zoot beignet a la creme's accompanied with a glass of
> gewurtztraminer or botrytis (when im being taken out for dinner by
some
> lucky chick).
>
> As polite as i can say it - there are three things i wouldn't be
caught
dead
> holding; a Krispy Kreme, an L.L. Bean catalogue or a wedding ring. To
me
> they all spell some form of approved bourgeois consumer creeping
> death/cliche. Iits gotta be cheap and dirty or magnificently lavish
and
> expensive - the same way i like my Crumpet.
>
> Llife is too short to be the same. Art is in the extreme's.
>
> Classic bicycle content: street vendor churros fit great in a jersey
pocket
> and you dont have to get off yer bike and duckwaddle in cleats. I
might
not
> have changed the world by buying them but they have saved me on a ride
or
> two.
>
> donuts = dough-buts
>
> Anyway, who's judging this contest?
>
> I may head down just to take the prize with my family recipe for
Pavlova.
> http://www.pastrywiz.com/
> >From then on it will be like the america's cup - residing in the
southern
> hemisphere (down-under) where you can say bugger in a bar (pub)
without
> being offered drinks.
>
> ciao,
>
> ben "doesn't root for anyone but himself" kamen
> NYC
>
> **** mine is only ever topped with fresh passionfruit pulp, kiwi fruit
and
> strawberries
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