Re: [CR]OT: Asian production of modern famous makes....

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To: hturn@sbcglobal.net
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:16:38 -0500
Subject: Re: [CR]OT: Asian production of modern famous makes....
From: "Richard M Sachs" <richardsachs@juno.com>
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

i think you're more upset by this than your hypothetical consumers, joe and sam. who got ripped off?! neither got ripped off. they each bought what they set out to purchase. presumably, they are happy *^%@! campers. furthermore, each vendor profited from the sale, based on the prices they and/or the marketplace set for their wares. your hypothetical is skewed. you say, "It does matter where the work is done." the issue here is marketing and brand perception. if both bicycles are from the same factory (says you), i don't see the relevence to the initial thread. and lastly, why make this a consumer issue by saying one buyer got ripped off. why no take the vendor's side and say that the one selling 'low' got ripped off because he didn't read the market? e-RICHIE Richard Sachs Cycles No.9, North Main Street Chester, CT 06412 USA http://www.richardsachs.com Tel. 860.526.2059

On Sun, 09 Feb 2003 19:34:03 -0600 Henry Turner <hturn@sbcglobal.net> writes:
> It does matter where the work is done.
> For the sake of our discussion, we have two bike manufactures.
>
> A) is "Fignon" a well marketed, clean smooth lines, etc. etc.
> Their founder
> won the Tour de Cremora in 1976. Their basic frame set is
> $1700.00
>
> B) is "Minnow" little known company, not well marketed. The
> owner
> has bee in rehab four times. Their basic frame is $400.00.
>
> Both companies do not make their own frames. The are made in the
> Chang Moo Quack factory in Taiwan, which produces thousands of
> frames
> a month
>
> Joe Smith buys a "Fignon" frame, a Chorus grouppo, and has a fine
> time
> of biking.
>
> Sam Smith buys a "minnow" frame, a Chorus grouppo and has a fine
> time
> of biking.
>
> Who got ripped off?
>
> Whether well produced or not, Joe Smith paid $1300 dollars more
> for
> a frame that he could have gotten for much less. Build quality
> aside.
>
>
> Henry Turner
> Corpus Christi,
> Texas
>
>
> At 07:26 PM 2/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >they never <were> handcrated by "Luigi" in his small workshop.
> >that is an illusion that was born in the 70s U.S. bike boom.
> >also, why does it matter where the work is done as long as
> >it's produced well? it's a win-win situation. you can
> >subcontract in the next county or across the pond. you're still
> >doing the same thing: spec-ing a product and finding an efficient
> >method of manufacturing.
> >e-RICHIE
> >Richard Sachs Cycles
> >No.9, North Main Street
> >Chester, CT 06412 USA
> >www.richardsachs.com
> >Tel. 860.526.2059