Re: [CR] Unusual Colnago very little Vintage bike content.

(Example: Framebuilders:Bernard Carré)

From: "Renaissance-Cycles" <info@renaissance-cycles.com>
To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR] Unusual Colnago very little Vintage bike content.
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:29:46 +0100



----- Original Message -----
From: Renaissance-Cycles
To: ben kamen
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [CR] Unusual Colnago very little Vintage bike content.



> Looks like one of those riggs from the early days to TRY to attract the
> early Triathalon crowd!
> We all know what it's like and have seen it when it comes to feeling out a
> certain market!
> I can hear it now, ''LOOK AT THE MOUNTING OF THE FRONT BRAKE, THIS IS
> TRULY ONE ON TRIATHALON BIKE!'' Of course I could be sounding like a dog
> barking
> away in left field!...........Talking about dogs. You know when working at a
> bike shop here before
> Renaissance cycles. One day I chased down a guy that tried to steal a few
> jerseys!
> Darn that little guy was fast! So to slow him down I !''BARKED!'' at him a
> few times just to get his attention,
> we'll I slowed him up a little to get my hands on him!....You should have
> seen this guys face when looking
> back.............For sure he wasn''t looking at me, he was looking for that
> damn ''DOG!''
> I WAS LAUGHING MY HEAD OFF! He said in broken English! What's so funny I was
> afraid of getting bitten by a dog!.................I dragged him back to
> work and everybody
> was talking about THIS ''DAMN DOG!''!...............We all heard this
> ''CRAZY DOG!''
> but we saw no dog!.................The little guy was pointing at me and
> saying ''HIM THE DOG!''
> I looked at them and started to ''HOWL!'' like a dog!
>
> Hey toss me a doggie bone with a bike on it and I'm happy! Sorry don't mean
> to spoil this thread
> just having some fun!................AND YES IT DID HAPPEN!''
>
> In fact I used this same tactic when chasing down a ball
> carrier!...........It worked!
>
> BC
> Baron C..............And the gang! Renaissance cycles, Eindhoven Holland!
> OK!.....Back to work!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ben kamen" <dupe@mac.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:52 AM
> Subject: [CR]an unusual Colnago (Mark Agree's) - pic site is up
>
>
> > 2/25/03 1:53 PMclassicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org
> >
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Pics and details of Mark Agree's Colnago are up on the following link.
> Click
> > and keep clicking for bigger details of all the thumbs. Definately more
> than
> > meets the eye and some colnago trainspotters out there will be happily
> > intrigued with some of its unique features.
> >
> > http://homepage.mac.com/wes_london/colnago/PhotoAlbum11.html
> >
> > If its not list specific (pre-Hooters) its not very far off to my
> untrained
> > eye. It is the 80's and budding with early aero ideas. I shudder to think
> > what Ernesto was wearing around that time - perhaps the worst dressed
> > bicycle artisan ever (history will tell) but then again i see that
> tradition
> > is kept alive and well and them Le Cirque pics are testament to that. Not
> > namin' names ....
> >
> > So ... what did you look like around the time of the CR cut off period
> > (1983) ????? Id be happy to compile pics of the list members circa the
> early
> > 80's (CR cut off period) on a web page(s). Think of it like the Goodwood
> > Festival of Speed where all attendees come in period dress. Le Cirque with
> > the same restrictions wouldn't be as cool as most wouldn't have to think
> > much about changing their attire. I figure if we are to keep our interest
> of
> > classic bikes till that period it would be interesting to note what we all
> > looked like - for better or worse. It would be not only therapeutic in a
> > sense but fun. Send any image file/format (any size) you like to me but be
> > honest - im expecting about 30 dubiously sourced Bruce Jenner stock images
> > and lots of 'stache's like Kevin Costner. Cross dresser's identities will
> be
> > kept private (for a fee). I promise not to post it anywhere else unless
> you
> > owe me money. What have you got to lose?
> >
> > There is a Mystery Prize for the winner (NOS) - ill do my best to verify
> the
> > image is authentic, and im the judge ;-)
> >
> > scan them forgotten ealy 80's pics - you have one week.
> >
> > ciao,
> >
> > ben "Hardcore Purist Fashionista" kamen
> > NY, "if i owned a Colnago id sport a comb-over like Ernesto" NY
> >
> >
> > >
> > > From: FujiFish1@aol.com
> > > Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:08:00 EST
> >
> > > Subject: Re: [CR] was: reverse brake mounting, and an unusual Colnago
> >
> > > Up until yesterday I was somewhat behind on reading my CR digests, so
> this
> > > thread has died off. However, there is more to be said on the
> subject...
> > >
> > > I purchased a Colnago road bike on Ebay set up with both front and rear
> > > brake mounted on the insides. This is the small (51 cm) white Colnago
> with
> > > the possible Campagnolo Super Record Modified (milled flat sides so that
> bike
> > > manufacturers could pantograph their names on it) seatpost that was
> discussed
> > > here last month. The set was repainted by CycleArt (decal on the left
> > > chainstay). There are some features that I have never even heard of,
> let
> > > alone seen before, and I have yet to contact Jim Cunningham about it.
> > > The fork crown has NO brake mounting bolt hole coming through to the
> > > front. The headset is clearly of a smaller diameter than the usual 1",
> > > perhaps 3/4" or so. The TTT (Colnago panto) stem tapers at the bottom
> of the
> > > quill to accommodate this, and is black top to bottom. The two main
> "lugs"
> > > of the bottom bracket have a doubled effect, like a lug inside a lug.
> (What
> > > do you call that connection, if not a lug?) The internal routing for
> the
> > > rear brake cable emerges on the drive side of the bike, seemingly in
> > > accordance with the reversed Campy caliper placement (recessed allen
> head, by
> > > the way). The frame's main tubing is perforated four times along the
> length,
> > > to sort of square it off, and the shifters are mounted back to back on a
> > > podium, on top of the top tube, with the wires running directly into the
> > > frame, and then emerging again at the bottom bracket.
> > > Like I said, the fork crown has no evidence of a bolt hole in the front.
> > > The decals Jim put on it are very cool too, IMHO. There was no tubing
> decal
> > > applied with the repaint.
> > > The brakes also look like the ones sold on Ebay that began this
> > > "assbackwards" thread (Triomphe?). But, the brake pads are actually
> marked
> > > "Super Record" in the rubber (that's not really Campy, is it?), and the
> > > flimsy aluminum tabs have club panto's.
> > > The steering is indeed limited just slightly when turning to the left,
> > > because of the rear-facing brake. The seatpost's clamp, cradle and bolt
> do
> > > look to me, exactly like Super Record, but the shaft is quite short,
> allowing
> > > only about 3.5" below the modification, and there are no markings. This
> > > kinda looks like an after market cutoff. It is interesting that the
> shaft
> > > bore looses its center near the end, and becomes somewhat offset.
> Perhaps
> > > Campy was unaware that the bores were slightly crooked? Super Record
> cranks
> > > with Colnago pantographs and "Mexico-like" rounding are dated 1981.
> > >
> > > Since nobody mentioned Colnago in the discussion, I'm wondering if this
> > > frameset is on or off topic. It does definitely have some CR timeline
> parts
> > > on it though. Was this set designed for time trialing like the other
> bikes
> > > mentioned that used the reverse brake mounting? Was this a normal thing
> for
> > > Colnago, or something rare? Is there any way of confirming the Campy
> > > seatpost? And what about that tiny steerer threading, and the double
> "lugs"?
> >
> >
> > > Thanks...
> > > Mark Agree
> > > Oak Park MI