Re: [CR]Cinelli stem length

(Example: Framebuilders:Alex Singer)

From: "Peter Jon White" <lists@PeterWhiteCycles.com>
To: "Rick and Freddi Robbins" <rfrobb@wcoil.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <NAENLKHKPNACPHLFPNAOKEIMCCAA.rfrobb@wcoil.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Cinelli stem length
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:54:49 -0400


I'm going to go out on a limb and say 70mm. I think 3TTT went to 60mm. But my knowledge only goes back to the early 70s.

Peter Jon White
Peter White Cycles
24 Hall Rd.
Hillsborough, NH 03244
603 478 0900 Phone
603 478 0902 Phax
http://www.PeterWhiteCycles.com


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Subject: [CR]Cinelli stem length



> Listmembers,
>
> What was the shortest stem that Cinelli made? Does anyone have a short one
> for sale?
>
> Thanks,
> Rick Robbins
> Ada, (the sky's lightn' up tonite) Ohio
>
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> 1. Motobecane History
> 2. RE: Motobecane History (Scott)
> 3. GB update. and ebay outing (Pete Paine)
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> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:44:49 -0400
> From: Dwhitney@sheridancorp.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Motobecane History
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> I'm a new lister that hasn't introduced myself yet, so I thought I'd share
> some fun info I received from a former Motobecane sales rep - Mike Edgerton.
> I purchased a Nuovo Record headset for my 1973 Grand Record frame to replace
> the original Stronglite Competition, and he sent me the following note:
>
> I was the first Motobecane sales rep in the state of Oregon many years ago.
> I worked for a company called RH Brown that was the distributor for that
> bike. The guy that imported the bikes into the US was a guy named Ben Lawee
> that had a company in Long Beach, Ca. The original Grand Record (pronounced
> Reh-coord) had three tubes of Reynolds 531(the main tubes), the rest was
> chrome moly. It had a Stronglight cotterless crank set, Weinman center pull
> brakes, Campy NR deraileurs front and rear, and clincher 27 X 1 1/4 tires.
> The original model came in two colors, silver and black, and yellow and
> black. A few years later they added Black with red and dropped the yellow.
> The first Grand Champion ( the Luis Ocana bike, he won Le Tour that year)
> that came into the country came in as a special order for me. I was racing
> track primarily but trained on the road (as everyone else did). This little
> French guy that was the factory rep measured me like I was buying a suit and
> entered the order. That would have been an orange BIC colored bike. The next
> year I got the first purple one. I also owned every Le Champion model.
> Motobecane finally died in the US when they tried to eliminate the
> distributors and main importer and go directly to the bike shops, hoping to
> sell them mopeds as well. Becane is a slang word for bicycle in France and
> Motobecane is the name they gave their mopeds. That was their big business.
> I actually interviewed after I came to New jersey for a job with Motobecane
> USA. They were real A-holes. Now if you're really eager to find a treasure
> trove of vintage Motobecanes, an entire ocean container full (300 bikes)
> fell off a ship in the port of Le Harve in about 1975. I'm sure it's still
> there.
>
> And there you have more history than you ever wanted. I can't remember the
> name of the distributor that was in New England, I believe they were Boston
> based. I met the owner at a function once.
>
> I think if I couldn't get the right bearing races for your old headset I
> would simply use loose
> balls. Put in one less than fills the entire race and hold them in place
> with grease. Chances are your Stronglight would have come that way. By the
> way, if I can find the e-mail, there was a woman looking for a French
> headset. I don't think she was tied to Campy. I'll forward it to you if I
> still have it.
>
> Mike.
>
> I asked Mike if I could share this with the Classicrendezvous list, and he
> obliged.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave Whitney
> Portland, Maine
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:30:07 -0400
> From: "Scott" <g3forme@mindspring.com>
> To: <Dwhitney@sheridancorp.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]Motobecane History
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> Great post! I just acquired a 74 Grand Record, silver & black, and am =
> very
> interested in Motobecane and their history. Thanks for sharing!
>
> Scott Dapson
> Syracuse, New York=20
>
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> Dwhitney@sheridancorp.com
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> Subject: [CR]Motobecane History
>
> I'm a new lister that hasn't introduced myself yet, so I thought I'd =
> share
> some fun info I received from a former Motobecane sales rep - Mike =
> Edgerton.
> I purchased a Nuovo Record headset for my 1973 Grand Record frame to =
> replace
> the original Stronglite Competition, and he sent me the following note:
>
> I was the first Motobecane sales rep in the state of Oregon many years =
> ago.
> I worked for a company called RH Brown that was the distributor for that
> bike. The guy that imported the bikes into the US was a guy named Ben =
> Lawee
> that had a company in Long Beach, Ca. The original Grand Record =
> (pronounced
> Reh-coord) had three tubes of Reynolds 531(the main tubes), the rest was
> chrome moly. It had a Stronglight cotterless crank set, Weinman center =
> pull
> brakes, Campy NR deraileurs front and rear, and clincher 27 X 1 1/4 =
> tires.
> The original model came in two colors, silver and black, and yellow and
> black. A few years later they added Black with red and dropped the =
> yellow.
> The first Grand Champion ( the Luis Ocana bike, he won Le Tour that =
> year)
> that came into the country came in as a special order for me. I was =
> racing
> track primarily but trained on the road (as everyone else did). This =
> little
> French guy that was the factory rep measured me like I was buying a suit =
> and
> entered the order. That would have been an orange BIC colored bike. The =
> next
> year I got the first purple one. I also owned every Le Champion model.
> Motobecane finally died in the US when they tried to eliminate the
> distributors and main importer and go directly to the bike shops, hoping =
> to
> sell them mopeds as well. Becane is a slang word for bicycle in France =
> and
> Motobecane is the name they gave their mopeds. That was their big =
> business.
> I actually interviewed after I came to New jersey for a job with =
> Motobecane
> USA. They were real A-holes. Now if you're really eager to find a =
> treasure
> trove of vintage Motobecanes, an entire ocean container full (300 bikes)
> fell off a ship in the port of Le Harve in about 1975. I'm sure it's =
> still
> there.
>
> And there you have more history than you ever wanted. I can't remember =
> the
> name of the distributor that was in New England, I believe they were =
> Boston
> based. I met the owner at a function once.
>
> I think if I couldn't get the right bearing races for your old headset I
> would simply use loose
> balls. Put in one less than fills the entire race and hold them in place
> with grease. Chances are your Stronglight would have come that way. By =
> the
> way, if I can find the e-mail, there was a woman looking for a French
> headset. I don't think she was tied to Campy. I'll forward it to you if =
> I
> still have it.
>
> Mike.
>
> I asked Mike if I could share this with the Classicrendezvous list, and =
> he
> obliged.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave Whitney
> Portland, Maine
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:11:13 +0100
> From: "Pete Paine" <petebike7@btopenworld.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]GB update. and ebay outing
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> Hello All I have started another page on my GB website
> (GB info) Have found a pic of GB himself at Earles Court in
> 1955. not a good pic but the stand looks to be made of a Giant GB =
> caliper !! I have also put a couple of items on ebay
> including a Sturmey KSW .Use Oldcyclebits to search
>
> Cheers Pete Paine Watford
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