Re: [CR]Cyclotourist

(Example: Racing)

Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 23:22:21 -0400
From: "Joe Bender-Zanoni" <joebz@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Cyclotourist
To: jerrymoos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>, David Feldman <feldmanbike@yahoo.com>, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
References: <20030901012918.7376.qmail@web20418.mail.yahoo.com> <041d01c37030$f37666b0$efddfea9@mooshome>


I agree that the half-step plus granny is what works nicely on a triple. I have three bikes set up with a TA triple. The front derailleur must have a very flat outer cage to avoid hitting the arm. A relatively long cage is required for the small ring. In that sense the Simplex should be good. My bikes use a Campagnolo 980, a Suntour Compe-V and a Huret (Duopar?, the long caged one with the inner spring plate). Any CPSC shaped front cage is bad news.

Joe B-Z
Great Notch, NJ


----- Original Message -----
From: jerrymoos
To: David Feldman


<Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [CR]Cyclotourist


> The FD is a triple, NOS from Bicycle Classics. I think Peter is right, I'm
> trying to use too wide a range between outer and middle chainring for the
> small to middle upshift to work. However, for Houston, TX with weekend
> excursions into the Texas hill country, the 52-38 combo I love works
> wonderfully. If this means I have to upshift all the way from the the 28T
> granny to the 52, then down to the 38, this is an acceptable compromise, as
> the granny won't be used all that often.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Houston, TX
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Feldman" <feldmanbike@yahoo.com>
> To: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>; <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 8:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Cyclotourist
>
>
> > Jerry,
> > Is the FD a double or triple model? It was made in
> > both. The triple model does work for the type of
> > range you're setting up.
> > David Feldman
> > Vancouver, WA
> >
> > --- jerrymoos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > I've just gotten my new Bates frame built up
> > > sufficiently to road test
> > > (still need to install racks, mudguards, etc.).
> > > This is the first bike I've
> > > actually built up with a triple (finally conceding
> > > to age). I've used a TA
> > > Cyclotourist triple 52-38-28, Campy Rally RD,
> > > Simplex SLJ Triple FR, and
> > > Sachs Aris 13-28 6-speed FW. Even with the
> > > long-cage Rally, when I shorten
> > > the chain enough to just keep it from going slack on
> > > the 28x13, it is very
> > > difficult to shift onto the 28T rear cog when on the
> > > 52T chainring. More
> > > annoying, although shifting down to a smaller
> > > chainring works smoothly, and
> > > shifting between the 52 and 38 in either direction
> > > is no problem, it seems
> > > completely impossible to upshift from the 28T
> > > chainring to the 38T middle
> > > ring. I always wind up having to shift from the 28
> > > all the way up to the
> > > 52, then down to the 38. Normally, I'd try to toe
> > > out the back end of the
> > > FR to try to lift the chain a little better off the
> > > small ring, but one
> > > cannot do this except to a tiny extent, due the the
> > > Cyclotourist crankarm's
> > > infamous lack of FR clearance, i.e. if you toe out
> > > the back of the FR, it
> > > will hit the crankarm when on the large ring. It
> > > was exactly this feature
> > > of the Cyclotourist that caused TA to lose their
> > > early dominance in mountain
> > > bikes to the Japanese.
> > >
> > > Am I doing something wrong, or is this just an
> > > inherent limitation of the
> > > Cyclotourist/ Simplex SLJ combo? Anyone have a
> > > guess how large a small
> > > chain ring I'd have to go to to shift smoothly (or
> > > at least shift) up to the
> > > 38T middle?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Jerry Moos
> > > Houston, TX
> > >
> > >
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