[CR]UPS shipping

(Example: Events:Cirque du Cyclisme:2004)

From: "Tom Martin" <tom@wilsonbike.com>
To: "wspokes" <wspokes@penn.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <23295904.1073390225557.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:53:27 -0800
Subject: [CR]UPS shipping

Hello all:

As of Jan 1 2004, UPS has raised their pricing for all services (as they do every year). A COD tag now costs somewheres around $9.00. This is the cost of the tag alone- the privelege of UPS accepting your check- exclusive of the freight rates. UPS Adjusted their dimensional weights a couple of years ago, so now there is a standard box size (anything under OS 1 size), OS 1 size and, and OS 2 size. OS 2 is anything larger than a box that would fit a 26" mtn bike wheel without a tire. UPS charges anything at or above this dimension the same as 70lbs. The OS 1 size is charged the same as 35lbs. This makes it very expensive for bike dealers to have stuff shipped to them and now must add freight to their selling price in some fashion. (I am guessing their suppliers are not marking up their UPS rates to their dealers like mailboxes etc does). For mere mortals, going to the local UPS dropoff location (like mailboxes etc), you will probably get reamed. FedEx and all the others follow suit as UPS is the Big Daddy and basically sets the price for this stuff. This is a daily battle we have where I work, trying to keep the freight down for us and our customers. Invariably we look like the bad guy cuz the freight bill always seems to get larger and larger. But the costing of the freight shouldn't prevent sellers from just dumping a frame or wheels or parts into a box and sending it on its way. Packing materials cost money too, and the time to wrap the parts needs to be taken into account. It may seem excessive to the buyer, but most of the cost is going to UPS and not to the 'greedy' seller.

Tom Martin
Oakland CA


----- Original Message -----
From: wspokes
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 3:57 AM
Subject: [CR]Update and apology re:Opinion needed, ebay gone wild.



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> First, I apologize to those tired of hearing about ebay and paypal. Here's an EXACT quote I just got from the guy regarding the crushed and crimped stays.
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> "I"t has been a while, but if I remember correctly the indentation you are talking about, is meant to be there. I wouldn't effect the integrity of the frame as a whole. "
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> Meant to be there?? Give it a rest! This now screams negligence and lies to me. Email me offlist for his name and user ID. I wouldn't want to see other members get a bike like this from him...
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> Sent: Jan 6, 2004 3:29 AM
> To: wspokes@penn.com
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Opinion needed, ebay gone wild.
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> In a message dated 1/5/04 7:46:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, wspokes@penn.com writes:
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> So last evening, I am settled down enough to go and look at this bike and see what I can do. I put it up for sale on the list and was going to wipe it off and clean it up. I remove the kickstand to find the rear crimped and crushed under the kickstand. Caveat Emptor? Am I just stuck with this lemon? This isn't even remotely worth the funds I paid for it now and I am really irritated. First, besides ruining the bike cosmetically, it needs a repaint anyway...I would have described the paint and beat up and well used...not as "the usual scratches and blemishes!". Is this frame structurally sound being crimped in that area?
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> Hi Walt,
> I fit was mis-represented, tell the seller you want to send it back. Both the size and the condition seem to be wrong. Eat the shipping, but send it back. It's either that or sell it for a loss. OR, file an ebay fraud claim. Only good for a couple hundred, but it worked for that jerk in Oz who sold me that horribly repainted English frame. I relisted it with an "accurate" description and used that as evidence with ebay. The seller got his account canceled (for awhile). Try to work it out with the seller first.
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