[CR]Need some GB brake cables

(Example: Framebuilders:Tony Beek)

From: "Alistair Johnston" <synertik@telus.net>
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Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 15:16:36 -0700
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Subject: [CR]Need some GB brake cables

Hi people Can anyone help on this one? I need some green covered brake cables for a set of mid 40's GB brakes. I assume that more modern material might work but would prefer something of that era. Any ideas

Alistair Johnston, White Rock, BC

PS: I will be out of country until May 19th so if you respond and I don't get back to you right away, I will upon my return

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: ebay outing: pogliaghi (Richard M Sachs) 2. Re: ebay outing: pogliaghi (Chuck Schmidt) 3. Re: ebay outing: pogliaghi (Richard M Sachs) 4. Re: ebay outing: pogliaghi (Chuck Schmidt) 5. Items for sale via Ebay 6. CR LIST. Help/ID needed please 7. testing 1...........2..........3! (renaissance-cycles) 8. Ebay Proteus (krawls) 9. Zunow Pantographing (Gary Chottiner) 10. Re: CR LIST. Help/ID needed please (jerrymoos) 11. Apologies to Paul Brown was: MAFAC CENTERPULLS (Jan Heine) 12. RIP: Ijzeren Briek (Steven L. Sheffield) 13. Pantographing (Richard M Sachs) 14. RE: RIP: Ijzeren Briek (David Bilenkey) 15. Re: RIP: Ijzeren Briek, Briek Schotte (Chuck Schmidt) 16. Wanted Universal 39 Parts 17. New jersey shore ride (David Neuhaus) 18. RE: RE: Components on a 46' Clements racer? (Mick Butler) 19. 1/2 Room at Battleground Inn. (HM & SS Sachs)

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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 23:09:36 -0500 From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com> To: rocketman531@earthlink.net Cc: chasds@mindspring.com Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]ebay outing: pogliaghi Message-ID: <20040403.230936.200.5.richardsachs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 1

snipped: "I bought an '83 Pog a couple of years ago simply because I loved the bike..."

well that's all that matters, isn't it? e-RICHIERTC Richard Sachs Cycles No.9, North Main Street Chester, CT 06412 USA Tel. 860.526.2059 site: http://www.richardsachs.com pics: http://photos.yahoo.com/bobbesrs rants: http://richardsachs.blogspot.com/

On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 21:01:47 -0700 (GMT-07:00) rocketman531 <rocketman531@earthlink.net> writes: Richard Sachs wrote" for most people who don't know "better" or don't care about the differences frames such as this ebay pog or even the masi from 10 days ago are the closest theyre going to get to the "real" thing. i know - this is terribly opinionated, but since saturday pm is normally a slow list night i think nobody will read this anyway."

I bought an '83 Pog a couple of years ago simply because I loved the bike. Wasn't trying to pretend it was something it wasn't-just love the bike, love the ride. It turns heads everywhere I ride it-someone always comments. Oh, I know if I were riding in a group with half a dozen 'Keepers of the Flame', it might be just another garage bike. You know, clunky lugs, paint too heavy....

Would I like to have an "original"? Sure I would. But the bike has a place of honor in my garage. I might get the chance to own one of Sante's own creations one day, but even if I do, I'm still keeping the fake.

Pat Moffat Tempe, AZ Reading the 'List' on a slow night. On my way out to the garage to make sure my Pog is tucked in.

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 20:15:52 -0800 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]ebay outing: pogliaghi Message-ID: <406F8BEF.8139498B@earthlink.net> References: <3860988.1081051308292.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net Message: 2

Pat Moffat wrote:
> (cut)
> I bought an '83 Pog a couple of years ago simply because I loved the bike. Wasn't trying to pretend it was something it wasn't-just love the bike, love the ride. It turns heads everywhere I ride it-someone always comments. Oh, I know if I were riding in a group with half a dozen 'Keepers of the Flame', it might be just another garage bike. You know, clunky lugs, paint too heavy....(cut)

This is a great point! I have bikes that I'm sure people say (behind my back), "Jeeze, what's he doing with that POS?"

Well, I got them because they made me happy (not making a Collection, just liked them and wanted to ride them). I've been told the proper term for this is a "Vanity Collection" which I think means that the group of objects doesn't have a theme (Brett Horton can correct me here).

As Letterman likes to say, "This is not a competition; no wagering please!"

Chuck "wondering if people planning to come to the Rose Bowl ride tomorrow will remember to reset their clocks tonight" Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California

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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 23:22:29 -0500 From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com> To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]ebay outing: pogliaghi Message-ID: <20040403.232230.200.6.richardsachs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 3

i think the original post and my reply to it was about: "...at what point did a Pogliaghi cease being a Pogliaghi?", as asked by chas. andrews. you two are drifting. but that's okay - uconn is going to the finals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!! e-RICHIERTC Richard Sachs Cycles No.9, North Main Street Chester, CT 06412 USA Tel. 860.526.2059 site: http://www.richardsachs.com pics: http://photos.yahoo.com/bobbesrs rants: http://richardsachs.blogspot.com/

On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 20:15:52 -0800 Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> writes: Pat Moffat wrote:
> (cut)
> I bought an '83 Pog a couple of years ago simply because I loved the bike. Wasn't trying to pretend it was something it wasn't-just love the bike, love the ride. It turns heads everywhere I ride it-someone always comments. Oh, I know if I were riding in a group with half a dozen 'Keepers of the Flame', it might be just another garage bike. You know, clunky lugs, paint too heavy....(cut)

This is a great point! I have bikes that I'm sure people say (behind my back), "Jeeze, what's he doing with that POS?"

Well, I got them because they made me happy (not making a Collection, just liked them and wanted to ride them). I've been told the proper term for this is a "Vanity Collection" which I think means that the group of objects doesn't have a theme (Brett Horton can correct me here).

As Letterman likes to say, "This is not a competition; no wagering please!"

Chuck "wondering if people planning to come to the Rose Bowl ride tomorrow will remember to reset their clocks tonight" Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 20:31:43 -0800 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]ebay outing: pogliaghi Message-ID: <406F8FA4.EC9FC5DB@earthlink.net> References: <20040403.232230.200.6.richardsachs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net Message: 4

Richard M Sachs wrote:
>
> i think the original post and my reply to it was about:
> "...at what point did a Pogliaghi cease being a Pogliaghi?",
> as asked by chas. andrews.
> you two are drifting.
> but that's okay - uconn is going to the finals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well Oblio from the Land of Point said it best! "You don't have to have a point to have a point!

(and by the way, uconn is offtopic, dude)

chuckissimoR SoPas, SoCal

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Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 04:50:16 EDT From: Cantiflex@aol.com To: CLASSICRENDEZVOUS@BIKELIST.ORG Subject: [CR]Items for sale via Ebay Message-ID: <9d.468c8b35.2da12648@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5

Hi All, I have listed,and shall be listing ,the following items on Ebay. All Items will be auctioned via REY0531...All items NEW OLD STOCK Nervex Professional lugset Campag Rally(Original type) rear mech Campag Record type SGR 'clipless' pedals Universal type 125 SP Brakeset Set PMP 'Bent' crankset Hetchins 1960s Pair cycling 'plusses' size 32" waist Ideale type 70 leather saddle Campag type Gran-Sport side -pull stirrups Pair Campag type Nuovo Tipo large flange hubs c/w straight skewers.

Can be delivered to NC Cirq if needed.

Thanks for looking Ray Etherton...who cannot wait for this years Cirq....Maldon ,UK

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Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 05:05:47 EDT From: Cantiflex@aol.com To: CLASSICRENDEZVOUS@BIKELIST.ORG Subject: [CR]CR LIST. Help/ID needed please Message-ID: <be.92f8690.2da129eb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6

Hi All, Can anyone out there help indentify the following Peugeot...model...date etc. Spec as follows

Silver frameset , Reynolds 531DB thro'out, Nervex? 'spearpiont' lugs with flange top and bottom of headlugs. Simplex front and rear fork-ends. Finished in silver with 1/3 chrome forks and stays. fitted stronglight super V4Competeition headset. Mafac Competition CP brakes with full black-hooded levers Stronglight type 105 double chainset Lyotard 45 ter pedals Christophe clips Atax/Peugeot alloy stem Phillip alloy bars Ideale 2000 saddle Simplex 610? front and rear mechs single bottle cage bosses on down tube(the only braze-ons on the frame) simplex brake cable clips Wheels...supplied original with 1 pair of tubulars, 1 pair high pressures. both pairs have Malliard professional 700 large flange hubs, Simplex q/r skewers. The whole bike has only been ridden for approx 100 miles. Thanks in advance. Ray Etherton Maldon UK

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Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 11:46:29 +0200 From: renaissance-cycles <info@renaissance-cycles.com> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]testing 1...........2..........3! Message-ID: <007e01c41a29$b4b971d0$0100a8c0@warehouse> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 7

Thanks to all who got in touch with me!.........Me think I was was going crazy with some kind of computer problems again!

BC Baron C.................And the gang!! Renaissance cycles, Eindhoven Holland!

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Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 08:16:19 -0700 From: "krawls" <krawls@visuallink.com> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Ebay Proteus Message-ID: <000501c41a57$d7bcfb60$6401a8c0@krawls> References: <007e01c41a29$b4b971d0$0100a8c0@warehouse> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8

For the tall folks.... A seldom seen Proteus Touring

http://ebay.com/<blah>

Karen Rawls Windychester VA

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Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 08:57:05 -0400 From: "Gary Chottiner" <gsc2@cwru.edu> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Zunow Pantographing Message-ID: <200404041257.ATG10481@mirapoint2.tis.cwru.edu> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9

The issue isn't the handiwork on the frame; the gorgeous details on the bottom bracket et al were the reason I wanted this frame. A question of terminology; does one even describe such things as pantographing; are they typically created by the same method? My problem is with what Zunow did to the C-Record components pictured in their catalog. To my eye the style of lettering is completely out of place on such 'swoopy' components. Perhaps it looks better in person.

If you want to see something that I think is on the opposite side of the spectrum, there's another list member in the Seattle area who outbid me on cyclo's Hetchins Magnum Opus auction a couple of years ago. Now that had great pantographing; the cranks and Delta brakes carried over the Magnum Opus lug pattern.

So, to be certain this post is on-topic; which vintage makers had the best pantographing? I've got an early 80's Super Record Colnago where it seems half the parts carry the Colnago name and insignia but this was fairly common stuff. Did anyone else do it better? The best I've seen, but only in photos, is the afore-mentioned Hetchins and that was a one-off custom job.

Gary Chottiner, NE Ohio _____

gsc2 at cwru.edu http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous writes: without the hideous pantographing shown in the catalog. Pantographing shown

at:

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Japan/Zunow_main.htm

I owned a Zunow and found the pantographing on the bb shell to be one of the

better attributes of the frame. Just goes to show you how we all look at our bikes differently. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL

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Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 08:42:57 -0500 From: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> To: <Cantiflex@aol.com>, <CLASSICRENDEZVOUS@BIKELIST.ORG> Subject: Re: [CR]CR LIST. Help/ID needed please Message-ID: <0b8401c41a4a$bd6261e0$efddfea9@mooshome> References: <be.92f8690.2da129eb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10

Sounds like a mid-70's PY-10 to me, similar to the ones Thevenet used to win a couple of TdeF.

Regards,

Jerry Moos
Houston, TX


----- Original Message -----
From: Cantiflex@aol.com
To: CLASSICRENDEZVOUS@BIKELIST.ORG
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 4:05 AM
Subject: [CR]CR LIST. Help/ID needed please



> Hi All,
> Can anyone out there help indentify the following Peugeot...model...date etc.
> Spec as follows
>
> Silver frameset , Reynolds 531DB thro'out, Nervex? 'spearpiont' lugs with
> flange top and bottom of headlugs.
> Simplex front and rear fork-ends. Finished in silver with 1/3 chrome forks
> and stays. fitted stronglight super V4Competeition headset.
> Mafac Competition CP brakes with full black-hooded levers
> Stronglight type 105 double chainset
> Lyotard 45 ter pedals
> Christophe clips
> Atax/Peugeot alloy stem
> Phillip alloy bars
> Ideale 2000 saddle
> Simplex 610? front and rear mechs
> single bottle cage bosses on down tube(the only braze-ons on the frame)
> simplex brake cable clips
> Wheels...supplied original with 1 pair of tubulars, 1 pair high pressures.
> both pairs have Malliard professional 700 large flange hubs, Simplex q/r
> skewers.
> The whole bike has only been ridden for approx 100 miles.
> Thanks in advance.
> Ray Etherton Maldon UK
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>

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Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 07:01:21 -0700 From: Jan Heine <heine93@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Apologies to Paul Brown was: MAFAC CENTERPULLS Message-ID: <a0521066bbc95c47ef271@[66.167.253.177]> In-Reply-To: <106.2e6b7459.2da1032c@aol.com> References: <106.2e6b7459.2da1032c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11

It was pointed out to me by a friendly listmember that what Paul Brown probably intended to say is that during the first years of production, the forged Mafac arms were stamped "Mafac" (instead of "RACER"), rather than the the manufacturing method of the arms was stamping.

I am sorry I misread your post, Paul. I deleted the original mail, and I feel a public apology is better, anyhow, so I hope this isn't too far off topic. -- Jan Heine, Seattle Editor/Publisher Vintage Bicycle Quarterly http://www.mindspring.com/~heine/bikesite/bikesite/


>In a message dated 4/3/04 10:36:14 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>heine93@earthlink.net writes:
>
>>Paul Brown wrote:
>>>The early racers were stamped with just
>>>Mafac on the front arm.
>>
>>Forged, not stamped. Minor difference, but important for the strength
>>of the arms. I think other aluminum brakes at the time often featured
>>cast arms, which break when you try to bend them. The early Mafac
>>arms were marked "Dural Forge" to show that they were both alloy and
>>forged.
>>
>
>
>I think if you substitute the word "marked" for "stamped" you'll get
>what he intended.

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Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 08:23:18 -0600 From: "Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]RIP: Ijzeren Briek Message-ID: <BC957676.2A677%stevens@veloworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12

Also known as "The Last of the Flandrians", "Iron" Briek Schotte passed away in hospital in Oostende this morning, at the age of 82. Schotte twice won the Tour of Flanders (1942, 1948) and was twice World Champion (1948, 1950).

-- Steven L. Sheffield stevens at veloworks dot com veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash

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Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 10:36:47 -0400 From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com> To: gsc2@cwru.edu Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Pantographing Message-ID: <20040404.103648.200.7.richardsachs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 13

somec had no peers in the pantographing dept. e-RICHIERTC Richard Sachs Cycles No.9, North Main Street Chester, CT 06412 USA Tel. 860.526.2059 site: http://www.richardsachs.com pics: http://photos.yahoo.com/bobbesrs rants: http://richardsachs.blogspot.com/

snipped: "Gary Chottiner" <gsc2@cwru.edu> writes: So, to be certain this post is on-topic; which vintage makers had the best pantographing? > Gary Chottiner, NE Ohio ------------------------------

Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 11:22:19 -0400 From: "David Bilenkey" <dbilenkey@sympatico.ca> To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]RIP: Ijzeren Briek Message-ID: <HBECIOPCNPKEJLCJBKNKEEGGIKAA.dbilenkey@sympatico.ca> In-Reply-To: <BC957676.2A677%stevens@veloworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: dbilenkey@sympatico.ca Message: 14

http://www.rvv.be/eng/historiek/briek.html

http://www.dailypeloton.com/displayarticle.asp?pk=5923

David Bilenkey Ottawa, Ontario, Canada


> -----Original Message-----
> From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org]On Behalf Of Steven L.
> Sheffield
> Sent: April 4, 2004 10:23 AM
> To: Classic Rendezvous
> Subject: [CR]RIP: Ijzeren Briek
>
>
> Also known as "The Last of the Flandrians", "Iron" Briek Schotte
> passed away
> in hospital in Oostende this morning, at the age of 82. Schotte twice won
> the Tour of Flanders (1942, 1948) and was twice World Champion
> (1948, 1950).
>
> --
> Steven L. Sheffield

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Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:20:33 -0800 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]RIP: Ijzeren Briek, Briek Schotte Message-ID: <407043E0.D6B2449E@earthlink.net> References: <HBECIOPCNPKEJLCJBKNKEEGGIKAA.dbilenkey@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net Message: 15

Great photo: http://www.rvv.be/fotos/briek2.jpg

Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California

David Bilenkey wrote:
>
> http://www.rvv.be/eng/historiek/briek.html
>
> http://www.dailypeloton.com/displayarticle.asp?pk=5923
>
> David Bilenkey
> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> > [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org]On Behalf Of Steven L.
> > Sheffield
> > Sent: April 4, 2004 10:23 AM
> > To: Classic Rendezvous
> > Subject: [CR]RIP: Ijzeren Briek
> >
> >
> > Also known as "The Last of the Flandrians", "Iron" Briek Schotte
> > passed away
> > in hospital in Oostende this morning, at the age of 82. Schotte twice won
> > the Tour of Flanders (1942, 1948) and was twice World Champion
> > (1948, 1950).
> >
> > --
> > Steven L. Sheffield ------------------------------

Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 11:51:42 -0500 From: airart4@juno.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Wanted Universal 39 Parts Message-ID: <20040404.115147.-872543.1.airart4@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16

Hello,

I am looking for Universal 39 parts (calipers as well as levers). Please contact me if you have parts or complete units you would like to part with. These are to help with the restoration of a 1940 Torpado.

Thank You, Mike Short, Austin TX. (512)990-3428

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Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 13:11:52 -0400 From: David Neuhaus <david@neustudio.com> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]New jersey shore ride Message-ID: <BC95BA17.6C6F%david@neustudio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17

I wanted to also thank Tom for organizing the NJ Shore ride. It was great to have the views of the Atlantic ocean on one side and the time trial contestants whizzing by on the other.

The company was great, the ride quick and easy, and the bikes were fantastic. Let's do it again!

Dave Neuhaus Fanwood, NJ

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Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 17:08:48 +0000 From: "Mick Butler" <pariscyclesuk@hotmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]RE: Components on a 46' Clements racer? Message-ID: <BAY16-F142IfpsgY1yb0003b9e8@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 18

Of the three Clement's frames I remember seeing they were all finished in flamboyant paint. Ruby Flam, Green Flam and a deep Purple Flam. The deep Purple Flam was far the best looking. I was told by the owner that this was the original colour.

Best wishes and be lucky. Michael Butler Huntingdon UK.

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Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 13:14:06 -0400 From: HM & SS Sachs <sachs@erols.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]1/2 Room at Battleground Inn. Message-ID: <4070425E.50606@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19

My customary co-conspirator at Cirque will be unable to attend this year. If you would like to share a 2-bed room, and have no terribly objectionable personal characteristics (towel-hogger, deep-snorer, host of all-night parties, bringing girlfriend...), please let me know, off-list. It seems better to share than leave someone out in the boondocks. Expected contribution is one-half of the room bill for Friday night + Saturday night.

<<Don't even THINK about starting a thread on objectionable personal characteristics, it is OFF topic>>

thanks

harvey sachs.

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