Re: [CR]Re: was Team Raleigh, now Provenance

(Example: Framebuilders)

Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:07:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: was Team Raleigh, now Provenance
To: OROBOYZ@aol.com, gpvb1@comcast.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <46.592b43bd.2e818c13@aol.com>


Speaking of the provenance, how tall is Gerrie Kneteman? 59 cm is a pretty tall frame for the typically fairly small European pro, and by this era, the very low saddles of the 50's were a thing of the past.

Regards,

Jerry Moos

OROBOYZ@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 9/21/2004 9:12:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gpvb1@comcast.net writes:

<< alledged provenance.... >>

That reminds me ( maybe Brett Horten is the guy to answer this) but what constitutes valid provenance? In the REALLY sophisticated world of collecting, provenance must have a fairly structured status. In other words, "you telling me that some guy told you that Bartali rode this bike in the 1942 Giro" obviously don't cut it. But what constitutes valid provenance to someone like a big auction house or a focussed collector? Seems like almost nothing I have seen in the vintage bike world has much real proof attached as to that item's confirmable history...

Just a-wondering...................

Dale Brown
Greensboro, NC