Re: [CR]Windsor Centurion Cinelli

(Example: Framebuilding:Brazing Technique)

Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 05:22:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Windsor Centurion Cinelli
To: Donald Gillies <gillies@cs.ubc.ca>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <200411200233.SAA27483@cascade.cs.ubc.ca>


I don't believe there was any connection between Centurion and Windsor. Windsor was a clone, with evidently no official blessing from Cinelli, although some former Cinelli employees seem to have been involved, and that might have caused Cinelli to assist, or at least tolerate, Windsor for a while. Centurion, I believe, was an official joint venture of Cinelli with a US importer/retailer. Centurions, at least the Cinelli-connected ones, are probably much rarer than Windsor Pros, as the Cinelli/Centurion was, per an earlier post, only built for a year or two, while Windsor Pros were built for about a decade, I think, and in pretty large numbers.

Regards,

Jerry Moos Houston, TX

Donald Gillies <gillies@cs.ubc.ca> wrote: Ok, i missed a keyword in my posting, but this has got to take the cake !! Did Centurion outsource to Windsor a contract to sell racing bikes that were produced as Cinelli Clones (which is what Windsor is famous for), and did Centurion later eliminate the middleman and go straight to Cinelli ?

I don't think this bike is a repaint, and the badging is 100% 1970's Centurion, if i'm not mistaken. The country of origin and lugs say Windsor Pro, i knew that and asked the seller about it. I cannot imagine why anyone would repaint a windsor pro to look like a Centurion, kinda like repainting a ford mustang to look like a pontiac firebird ... why bother (please all you , firebird owners don't jump on me for this one ...)?

- Don Gillies
San Diego, Ca