Re: [CR]Re: lug question again

(Example: Framebuilding:Restoration)

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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:12:00 -0800 (PST)
From: "Harris" <bianchipan@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: lug question again
To: "richardsachs@juno.com" <richardsachs@juno.com>, mail@woodworkingboy.com
In-Reply-To: <20041130.161047.26252.23694@webmail18.nyc.untd.com>
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

As for "sweating" pipes,vintage Masi's have "perfect" lugs.That is only true if the "fit" is correct inside.And this is just my opinion,but I have done similar type work for years.And I always passed my certification tests. Best regards, Harris Spracher Waynesboro Va.

"richardsachs@juno.com" <richardsachs@juno.com> wrote:

lugs are not ornamentation; they are structure. they are needed to support the tubes during the joining process. er, they once were needed. now, there are choices. ergo - CR types would hope that the lugs that they view on their beloved bicycles are pretty too,
not simply tube holders.
e-RICHIE
chester, ct


-- Dennis Young wrote:


If I might try to paraphrase; given today's building methods, lugs are ornamentation. Ornamentation satisfies a need too, and like good architecture, it is uplifting to the human spirit. Bad ornamentation is worse than no ornamentation, eating dinner out of coffee cans is better than off of plastic plates with a big sunflower in the middle.

Fillet brazing is also an 'ornamental' method?

Dennis Young Hotaka, Japan

BobHoveyGa@aol.com wrote: "And I have no problem seeing modern technology in this form come together with the fine craftsmanship of a lugged frame, even when the guys at my local bike shop roll their eyes and repeat their arguments that lugs are not necessary to produce a strong and functional frame. I can't agree with that..."


> don't you mean that only "some lugs..." give you this feeling
> rather than "all lugs"? since this is a lug-centric issue, i
> will add that i think the shop rats are correct. i'd rather
> have a modern tigged frame done well than a modern frame that
> had pipes joined with lugs if the builder chose lugs just for
> the sake of it. we don't need more mediocrity just for nostalgia's
> sake. i see that as the issue. lugs don't equal (i can't say
> it here) unless the builder pays attention.

> e-RICHIE

> chester, ct

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