I have Cagnion (maybe Honjo replicas, can't tell the difference) fenders on a Singer and Berthoud steel fenders on my Guylaine (german randonneur) I ride everyday. Both are available with two types of mounting hardware for threaded eyelets or french threadless eyelets. The french style is more elegant, but usually you don't have a choice - the drop outs of your frame determine which mounting hardware you have to use. Even drilling out common threaded eyelets usually doesn't work because the fixing nut for the threadless eyelets at the drive side will interfere with the chain.
Although longer than all ESGEs/SKS fenders the Berthoud (front) fenders are a bit shorter then the Cagnions but sturdier. A small allen wrench dropped while monting a saddle left a visible dent in the Singer's fenders (sigh). Mounting the Berthouds is really a tough task, you have to measure and check everything twice especially before drilling a hole. Don't forget to order also the Berthoud mudflap.
Dirk
BTW: regarding breaking aluminium fenders, I have heard that you should never drill holes into aluminium fenders but that holes have to be punched in.
-- Dirk Feeken Heidelberg Germany
-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of goodrichbikes Sent: Dienstag, 28. Dezember 2004 21:12 To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Fender opinions
Collective wisdom sought-
Do any of you have experience with Honjo and Berthoud fenders? I like them both but haven't "lived" with either. Either will be mounted to my new 650B KOF bike but I want to know if one has better mounts/hardware than the other.
Curt Goodrich
Minneapolis, MN