Re: [CR]Sturmey axles, was Looking for Hilary Stone.

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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:42:31 -0800 (PST)
From: "John Barry" <usazorro@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Sturmey axles, was Looking for Hilary Stone.
To: ternst <ternst1@cox.net>, HM & SS Sachs <sachs@erols.com>, johnspeare@gmail.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <039101c4fdee$4466ad40$0200a8c0@D8XCLL51>


You might try this fellow in England. I have dealt with him before and was quite satisfied - even though he doesn't accept Pay Pal. Here's a link to the page that I think has the items being sought.

http://oldbiketrader.co.uk/display_Sturmey_Archer.php?options=internalhubparts

Regards,

John Barry
Mechanicsburg, PA


--- ternst wrote:


> Hello all: If we go back a little further, maybe
> some of you will recall
> that we regularly converted 3-SP bikes to 6, 9, 12,
> and then some guys went
> all out and put multiple front chainwheels on , too.
> This was in late '50's
> and '60's. A lot of guys started racing on stuff
> like that but because the
> Sturmey stuff was made for regular touring and
> transportation the guys
> quickly tore the gears apart and went to the
> derailleur systems pdq.
> There were many axles in the6-3/4 and longer being
> made aftermarket and
> that's what you need to do the job.
> HH is correct, build up the inside dropout width,
> then fasten the outside
> and home free. The reason so many axles were bent is
> that too many frame
> dropouts weren't aligned properly and when tightened
> down, the axle bent,
> and eventually could crack, as they were quite
> brittle, Maybe that's why the
> outside nuts were so soft, so if they stripped the
> axle often was undamaged.
> SA used washers with oval / flat holes to match the
> axle. The washers also
> had tabs that matched the dropout slot and went
> towards the inside along the
> dropout slot to secure and keep the axle from
> twisting.
> I have some of this SA stuff, some two, maybe a
> three speed spline cluster
> that slides onto the three spline driver. Don't know
> if I have any fixed
> screw on clusters anymore. The clusters are probably
> English Cyclo.
> If any one is interested in any of this nice old
> Engish equipment, let me
> know offlist, I'll look see and advise.
> Ted Ernst
> Palos Verdes Estates, CA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "HM & SS Sachs" <sachs@erols.com>
> To: <johnspeare@gmail.com>;
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:21 PM
> Subject: [CR]Sturmey axles, was Looking for Hilary
> Stone.
>
>
> > John Speare wrote:
> > Hi, I have been told that Hillary Stone watches
> this list and I am looking
> > for him about fitting a Sturmey-Archer hub onto a
> bike with 130mm
> > dropouts. If anyone else on this list has advice,
> I'll take it. Here's the
> > post that I sent to the iBOB list: >From my
> measurements, the hub has an
> > axle length (measured from where the bolts that
> screw onto the hub itself)
> > of 110 mm. My frame however, has rear spacing of
> 130mm. Although I can put
> > 3 mm spacers on each side and still muscle the hub
> onto the bike, the
> > effective length is only 116 then. I'm a big guy
> and I don't want to
> > muscle the hub on by "cold setting" the frame
> 14mm.
> > <snip>
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > 6-1/4" axles were available for the common AW and
> FW 3- and 4-speed hubs.
> > 6-1/4=158 mm is long enough. I'd ask some other
> questions before going
> > ahead, though.
> >
> > Please, remember that the Sturmey axles are not
> simple bending structures.
> > They're not only bored through, but flatted at the
> ends (thinner vertical
> > than horizontal), and have long cut-outs near the
> center. Using the
> > longer axle with spacers outboard just moves the
> bearings inboard. If
> > this were my project, I would use an extra nut
> outboard of the spacers but
> > inside the drop-out, to preload the washers and
> convert those parts, at
> > least, into a larger diameter and thus much
> stiffer axle. (On a QR axle
> > set, the skewer is a tension member that has the
> same effect as I'm
> > proposing, but on an S/A the hollow innards are
> just space for the
> > controls, and can't help stiffen the axle).
> >
> > At my weight (about #190), I worry about these
> things. But, I'm not a
> > materials or structures guy, and am telling you
> about my instincts, not
> > doing an engineering analysis. I do remember a
> lot of bent flatted-end
> > axles on 10-speed Raleighs we raced at Rice in the
> early 60s. I guess
> > Raleigh flatted the axle ends on the early Gran
> Prix and Super Course (?)
> > because they sold the same frames with Sturmeys,
> or just out of cussed
> > habit, but I had friends who whipped out Chrome
> Moly versions at the
> > school shop instead of filing open the slot a
> silly mm or two.
> >
> > your mileage may vary.
> >
> > harvey sachs
> > mcLean va
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