Fwd: RE: [CR]Scams on the web for your classic bike

(Example: Racing:Wayne Stetina)

Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:36:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Fwd: RE: [CR]Scams on the web for your classic bike
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org


I think the sad truth is that you really can't sell anything to foreign buyers except in Canada, UK, Europe, Japan, Australia, NZ and maybe one or two other countries without taking a big risk. Unless of course you know the person via the CR list or otherwise. Of course the guy just across town could rip you off too, but at least the countries I named have fairly solid legal systems and cashier's checks and money orders from those countries are usually good, although they could of course be counterfeit. One could demand PayPal only, but I've heard horror stories about PayPal freezing sellers accounts over unjustified complaints, so the scamers could claim you never shipped the merchandise and probably get a refund via PayPal. That would take a lot of nerve, but these guys seem to have no shortage of nerve. It's a shame an honest collector in some countries may be unfairly suspected because of his location, but that's the reality.

Regards,

Jerry Moos Houston, Tx

"Mazzeo, Daniel" <Daniel.Mazzeo@usap.gov> wrote: Group, One of these scam artists went so far as to send me a $3,000 check "for my bike" unrequested by me. In an effort to pursue it, I took the check to my bank first, (then the police, who were little help) and my bank verified that the check and the bank upon which it was drawn were real just the account numbers were bogus. In their sophistication, they are printing or stealing bank checks. Stay aware, they will probably get smarter.

Thanks Dan Mazzeo Morrison, CO

-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Peter Koskinen Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 AM To: 'Peter Naiman'; 'classicrendezvous' Subject: RE: [CR]Scams on the web for your classic bike

I have gotten these when I have advertised on Dale's site. I don't see them on the Craigslist. I tell all of these emailer's that the item needs to be picked up in person and must be paid for in CASH. There was a guy a while ago that had listed a link to a 3 day Nigerian Scam Artists Convention that was very funny.

At least the person emailing you the one below could spell.

Peter Koskinen Chapel Hill, NC, USA

-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Peter Naiman Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 10:54 AM To: classicrendezvous Subject: [CR]Scams on the web for your classic bike

I know this is nothing new, but it just keep on coming. I posted a few frames to Craigslist, and keep getting atleast two offers a day from overseas to purchase my frames.

All these offers share the same things;

Offers are from overseas. They all want my best and final price. Always pay in overseas Bank Check or money order. Will be picked up by thier agent. Want to know if I'm the owner, etc etc, etc.

Below is a sample letter. To us veterans of list, this letter is old news so I'm directing more torwards the newbies in our hobby to be careful. Sad to say as good as Craigslist has been, I only get these letter when I adverize on Craigslist.

Peter Naiman Glendale, WI ...................................................... i come across your (items you place for sell. )on your link which i am interested in,and i am ready to purchase it immediately.But i would like to know the present status and it's Final price so that I can proceed further on this,meanwhile my client will pay you on my behalf, with US Money Order or cashier check , for the shippment I have a reputable shipping agent that will come and pick it up from your place as soon as the payment is sent to you. the pics will be needed to see. Thanks hope to read from you ASAP.

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