A recent note regarding 1930's rider "Torchy" Peden brought back memories of George Shipman, 1939 US sprint champion and six-day rider in the US and in Europe. George was retired from racing when I first got to ride with him in the mid-1950's (he was president of my old club, the Long Island Wheelmens Assn. in NY and a fixture on Sunday training rides). George was an outstanding person and, as would be expected of a pro trackie, had amazing bike handling skill. A great character, it wasn't unusual of him to swing out from a fast-moving pace line and stop to help an elderly lady cross the street. My only regret was never having had the chance to see him ride a six-day at Madison Square Garden,where he had a reputation for amazing speed, tactics, and flashy showmanship.
Anyone remember George?
Ed Hansen
edlhansen@cox.net
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> 1. RE; Cleaning parts (jimmy katynski)
> 2. messengers (Brandi Matteo)
> 3. Freddy's birthday (aldoross4)
> 4. RE: Freddy's birthday (Kenneth Naylor (MOLC))
> 5. Re: Freddy's birthday (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos)
> 6. RE: Freddy's birthday (Thomas Adams)
> 7. Galaxy Brakes (Simon Richardson)
> 8. Re: Freddy's birthday (Peter Jourdain)
> 9. Freddy's Birthday (BJay Booth)
> 10. ebay selling - me (kim klakow)
> 11. Re: Doc Morton (Edward Albert)
> 12. Maertens and Merckx (Derek Willburn)
> 13. Traditional English Touring Shoes (Peter Naiman)
> 14. Re: Traditional English Touring Shoes
> 15. Maertens and Merckx (BJay Booth)
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> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 06:33:30 -0800 (PST)
> From: jimmy katynski <jimmycue@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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> All this talk about cleaning parts made me wonder if
> anybody has used aluminum wheel cleaners? I here they
> can be used on all forms of aluminum,
> polished-anondized-painted-chromed etc. without any
> damage. I know those fancy wheels cost alot of money
> so maybe these speciality products might work for our
> parts also?
>
> Jimmy Katynski
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> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:21:30 +0100
> From: "Brandi Matteo" <cheroketz@libero.it>
> To: "classicrendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]messengers
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> Joel
>
> I believe that also Bartali did some sort of local "bike-transport"Few da
> ys ago i was reading(on a rush actually) about Bartali being awarded pos
> t-mortem for his "smugglin" of paperwork (inside the pipes of the frame)
> for jewish refugees that were hidin around Florence and local hills,proba
> bly there i ssomething about it on the web,
> Matteo Brandi Firenze Italy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:41:21 -0500
> From: "aldoross4" <aldoross4@siscom.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Freddy's birthday
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>
> According to "Cycling Hall of Fame", today is Freddy
> Maerten's 54th birthday:
>
> http://www.cyclinghalloffame.com/
>
> One of my favorite pieces of cycling film is from "La Course
> en Tete", showing Maertens as he leads-out Merckx, Gimondi,
> and Ocana in the final sprint of the 1973 World
> Championships in Barcelona. The camera is right there with
> the riders for the final few hundred meters - Extraordinary!
>
> But cyclinghalloffame says that Maertens had chased-down
> Merckx in the final stages... anyone know more of the story?
> At the finish he was clearly leading-out for Merckx.
>
> Aldo Ross
> Middletown, Ohio
>
> ----- Original Message Follows -----
> From: "Brandi Matteo" <cheroketz@libero.it>
> To: "classicrendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]messengers
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:21:30 +0100
>
>> Joel
>>
>> I believe that also Bartali did some sort of local
>> "bike-transport"Few da ys ago i was reading(on a rush
>> actually) about Bartali being awarded pos t-mortem for
>> his "smugglin" of paperwork (inside the pipes of the
>> frame) for jewish refugees that were hidin around Florence
>> and local hills,proba bly there i ssomething about it on
>> the web, Matteo Brandi Firenze Italy
>>
>> _______________________________________________
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:48:31 -0800
> From: "Kenneth Naylor (MOLC)" <knaylor@microsoft.com>
> To: <aldoross4@siscom.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]Freddy's birthday
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> I have a book about Merckx that devotes a few pages in-depth to the
> controversy at the '73 Worlds. It was a big deal between the men that
> seems to go on to this day. I will re-read tonight and add more
> tomorrow, but it has something to do with Maertens agreeing to lead out
> Eddy in the sprint, Eddy not being able to win, and Freddy thinking Eddy
> screwed him, just not wanting him to win.
>
> Vizzini: "You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The
> most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only
> slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when
> death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! (and also, don't mess with
> two Belgians in a bike race).
>
> Ken S. Naylor
> Fargo ND
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of aldoross4
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:41 AM
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Freddy's birthday
>
> According to "Cycling Hall of Fame", today is Freddy
> Maerten's 54th birthday:
>
> http://www.cyclinghalloffame.com/
>
> One of my favorite pieces of cycling film is from "La Course
> en Tete", showing Maertens as he leads-out Merckx, Gimondi,
> and Ocana in the final sprint of the 1973 World
> Championships in Barcelona. The camera is right there with
> the riders for the final few hundred meters - Extraordinary!
>
> But cyclinghalloffame says that Maertens had chased-down
> Merckx in the final stages... anyone know more of the story?
> At the finish he was clearly leading-out for Merckx.
>
> Aldo Ross
> Middletown, Ohio
>
> ----- Original Message Follows -----
> From: "Brandi Matteo" <cheroketz@libero.it>
> To: "classicrendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]messengers
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:21:30 +0100
>
>> Joel
>>
>> I believe that also Bartali did some sort of local
>> "bike-transport"Few da ys ago i was reading(on a rush
>> actually) about Bartali being awarded pos t-mortem for
>> his "smugglin" of paperwork (inside the pipes of the
>> frame) for jewish refugees that were hidin around Florence
>> and local hills,proba bly there i ssomething about it on
>> the web, Matteo Brandi Firenze Italy
>>
>> _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:57:33 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> To: aldoross4@siscom.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Freddy's birthday
> Message-ID: <20060213155733.15602.qmail@web82213.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> I think this was the Worlds that was the subject of the famous feud
> between Merckx and Maertens, in which Merckx claimed his Belgian teammate
> chased him down. Merckx, in his book the "Wonderful World of Cycling" (or
> something like that), hinted vaguely at some sort of feud but claimed that
> he and Freddy were later reconciled. But Freddy had an interview in Cycle
> Sport not too long ago in which he said that Merckx is still very cool
> towards him. Merckx has many admirable qualities and I think will never
> be rivaled as the greatest cyclist ever, but his huge ego is legendary.
> He could not abide a rival, particularly not a fellow Belgian, who did not
> clearly acknowledge Merckx's superiority, and Maertens was always a
> maverick, not inclined to pay homage to anyone.
>
> Even if Maertens had chased him down, I think Eddy made a bit much of it.
> After all, this is a routine occurence among the Italian team, as it seems
> that in many years the rival Italian stars would rather see a foreignor
> win the title than be beaten by by one of their countrymen.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Big Spring, TX
>
>
>
>
>
> aldoross4 <aldoross4@siscom.net> wrote:
> According to "Cycling Hall of Fame", today is Freddy
> Maerten's 54th birthday:
>
> http://www.cyclinghalloffame.com/
>
> One of my favorite pieces of cycling film is from "La Course
> en Tete", showing Maertens as he leads-out Merckx, Gimondi,
> and Ocana in the final sprint of the 1973 World
> Championships in Barcelona. The camera is right there with
> the riders for the final few hundred meters - Extraordinary!
>
> But cyclinghalloffame says that Maertens had chased-down
> Merckx in the final stages... anyone know more of the story?
> At the finish he was clearly leading-out for Merckx.
>
> Aldo Ross
> Middletown, Ohio
>
> ----- Original Message Follows -----
> From: "Brandi Matteo"
> To: "classicrendezvous"
> Subject: [CR]messengers
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:21:30 +0100
>
>> Joel
>>
>> I believe that also Bartali did some sort of local
>> "bike-transport"Few da ys ago i was reading(on a rush
>> actually) about Bartali being awarded pos t-mortem for
>> his "smugglin" of paperwork (inside the pipes of the
>> frame) for jewish refugees that were hidin around Florence
>> and local hills,proba bly there i ssomething about it on
>> the web, Matteo Brandi Firenze Italy
>>
>> _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:14:37 -0800 (PST)
> From: Thomas Adams <thomasthomasa@yahoo.com>
> To: "Kenneth Naylor (MOLC)" <knaylor@microsoft.com>,
> aldoross4@siscom.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: RE: [CR]Freddy's birthday
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> The story as it came to me, as handed down through history, says Maetens
> caught Merckx & Ocana in the late stages, bringing Gimondi with him.
> Maetens was then to lead Merckx out, but went so hard Merckx came off his
> wheel and Gimondi jumped into the gap. When Gimondi came around Maertens,
> Freddy was too surprised and/or gassed to get back up on his monster gear
> (Maertens liked to sprint in something like a 54x12), and Gimondi won the
> Rainbow jersey. Both Merckx and (especially) Maetens were better
> sprinters than Gimondi, and both have said that the poor tactics and/or
> form of the other cost them the win.
>
> I also heard, however, that Merckx and Maertens were reconciled within
> the last 24 months and have buried the hatchet.
>
> Tom Adams, Shrewsbury NJ
>
> "Kenneth Naylor (MOLC)" <knaylor@microsoft.com> wrote:
> I have a book about Merckx that devotes a few pages in-depth to the
> controversy at the '73 Worlds. It was a big deal between the men that
> seems to go on to this day. I will re-read tonight and add more
> tomorrow, but it has something to do with Maertens agreeing to lead out
> Eddy in the sprint, Eddy not being able to win, and Freddy thinking Eddy
> screwed him, just not wanting him to win.
>
> Vizzini: "You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The
> most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only
> slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when
> death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! (and also, don't mess with
> two Belgians in a bike race).
>
> Ken S. Naylor
> Fargo ND
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of aldoross4
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:41 AM
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Freddy's birthday
>
> According to "Cycling Hall of Fame", today is Freddy
> Maerten's 54th birthday:
>
> http://www.cyclinghalloffame.com/
>
> One of my favorite pieces of cycling film is from "La Course
> en Tete", showing Maertens as he leads-out Merckx, Gimondi,
> and Ocana in the final sprint of the 1973 World
> Championships in Barcelona. The camera is right there with
> the riders for the final few hundred meters - Extraordinary!
>
> But cyclinghalloffame says that Maertens had chased-down
> Merckx in the final stages... anyone know more of the story?
> At the finish he was clearly leading-out for Merckx.
>
> Aldo Ross
> Middletown, Ohio
>
> ----- Original Message Follows -----
> From: "Brandi Matteo"
> To: "classicrendezvous"
> Subject: [CR]messengers
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:21:30 +0100
>
>> Joel
>>
>> I believe that also Bartali did some sort of local
>> "bike-transport"Few da ys ago i was reading(on a rush
>> actually) about Bartali being awarded pos t-mortem for
>> his "smugglin" of paperwork (inside the pipes of the
>> frame) for jewish refugees that were hidin around Florence
>> and local hills,proba bly there i ssomething about it on
>> the web, Matteo Brandi Firenze Italy
>>
>> _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
>
>
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>
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:23:16 +0000
> From: Simon Richardson <quad@blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Galaxy Brakes
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> Hi,
>
> I have a very beaten up Dawes frame that I want to turn into a
> working bike. It was sold to me (for very little money) as a Dawes
> Galaxy and I was told that it is Reynolds 531 throughout. There's not
> much there, just the frame and a headset. The paint is mostly
> chipped, there's surface rust and there are no transfers left to
> identify it, but the metal is sound and the BB threads look perfect.
> It has Dawes embossed on the seat stays and a simple, oval, Dawes
> badge on the head tube.
>
> It's a very long bike: seat tube is 22" CT and the top tube 24" CC
> and it has very long chain stays, about 20" CC. Another clue is that
> there are no bosses on the down tube for gear levers, instead there
> are a pair of cable guides, so perhaps it had stem levers -
> fashionable in the late 70s I think?
>
> Anyway, the problem I have is with the brakes. There are cantilever
> bosses on the seat stays, the usual bridge for mudguards, and a
> bridge for a cable hanger above. If I put 700C wheels on it the
> distance from the centre of the bosses to the centre of the rim is
> 50mm - much longer than any cantilever I have seen, I think they are
> usually 35mm? The distance from the mudguard bridge to the centre of
> the rims is about 75mm - much longer than any caliper brake I have seen.
>
> Either the bike once had very small wheels, or very large wheels, or
> some very unusual brakes? Has anyone out there seen cantilevers with
> a 50mm reach?
>
> ---------------------------------------
> Simon Richardson
> London
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:30:50 -0800 (PST)
> From: Peter Jourdain <pjourdain@yahoo.com>
> To: aldoross4@siscom.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Freddy's birthday
> Message-ID: <20060213163050.98670.qmail@web34114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> [Luis] Ocana was also there during the closing stages
> of the world championship in 1973 at Montjuich, when
> he rode in a leading group with Gimondi, Merckx and
> Maertens, and where a chasm was created between the
> two Belgians that was never healed. At the time, all
> the newspapers were not only full of the details of
> how Gimondi won, but more particularly of how Merckx
> and Maertens had lost. Merckxâ?Ts explanation for what
> happened is that at the request of Maertensâ?"who
> claimed to have nothing leftâ?"he kept a low profile.
> If that had been the situation, Maertens would have
> led out the sprint for Merckx. Yet Merckx only slowed
> down over the last few hundred meters.
> â?oTreachery!â? screamed Maertens at the finish.
> â?oMercx has sold it to Gimondi.
>
> Merckx would never have sold a major race, least of
> all a world championship,â? said Ocana, full of
> conviction. â?oAt least I was never aware of him doing
> so and I never heard anyone else say anything. With
> two kilometers to go, it was clear that Maertens was
> sacrificing his own chances to help Merckx, because he
> was keeping the tempo very high. Gimondi was following
> him, then Merckx, and I was sitting in fourth
> position. When Gimondi took off, it was to my
> astonishment that I noticed Merckx wasnâ?Tt able to go
> with him. Before I had time to get over the surprise,
> the gap had opened wide enough for Gimondi. If Iâ?Td
> had more belief in myself, I would have won the world
> championship in front of my own people, without a
> doubt."
>
> At the time, Mercxk claimed: â?oI couldnâ?Tt feel my
> legs due to the nerves.â? He adds to that now: â?oThe
> way Maertens led out the sprint was all wrong. You
> lead out a sprint by gradually increasing the tempo,
> not by suddenly exploding away. When he did it, he
> opened up a gap of about two to three lengths in no
> time. In that sprint he blatantly rode me toward an
> inevitable defeat.â?
>
> from pp. 48-49, EDDY MERCKX, The Greatest Cyclist of
> the 20th Century, by Rik Vanwallenghem, Velo Press
> (Boulder, Co. 2000)
>
> The depression you see on Merckx's face in the film is
> not simply of losing, but, more precisely, of feeling
> betrayed by Maertens. Viewed from that angle, his
> intense agony makes more sense. The film never gives
> us any details, and hence it is one situation where, I
> believe, a thousand words are worth MORE than a
> picture. No matter what is the ultimate reality as to
> what happened there on that day, it is clear that both
> Maertens and Merckx felt betrayed. In a way, it's too
> bad that Ocana didn't jump on the situationa and take
> the rainbow jersey in front of his fellow Spaniards.
>
> Peter Jourdain
> Whitewater, Wisconsin
>
>
>
>
>
> --- aldoross4 <aldoross4@siscom.net> wrote:
>
>> According to "Cycling Hall of Fame", today is Freddy
>> Maerten's 54th birthday:
>>
>>
> http://www.cyclinghalloffame.com/
>>
>> One of my favorite pieces of cycling film is from
>> "La Course
>> en Tete", showing Maertens as he leads-out Merckx,
>> Gimondi,
>> and Ocana in the final sprint of the 1973 World
>> Championships in Barcelona. The camera is right
>> there with
>> the riders for the final few hundred meters -
>> Extraordinary!
>>
>> But cyclinghalloffame says that Maertens had
>> chased-down
>> Merckx in the final stages... anyone know more of
>> the story?
>> At the finish he was clearly leading-out for
>> Merckx.
>>
>> Aldo Ross
>> Middletown, Ohio
>>
>> ----- Original Message Follows -----
>> From: "Brandi Matteo" <cheroketz@libero.it>
>> To: "classicrendezvous"
>> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Subject: [CR]messengers
>> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:21:30 +0100
>>
>> > Joel
>> >
>> > I believe that also Bartali did some sort of local
>> > "bike-transport"Few da ys ago i was reading(on a
>> rush
>> > actually) about Bartali being awarded pos
>> t-mortem for
>> > his "smugglin" of paperwork (inside the pipes of
>> the
>> > frame) for jewish refugees that were hidin around
>> Florence
>> > and local hills,proba bly there i ssomething about
>> it on
>> > the web, Matteo Brandi Firenze Italy
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Classicrendezvous mailing list
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> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:32:21 -0500 (EST)
> From: BJay Booth <swiftybjb@rogers.com>
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Freddy's Birthday
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> To try to understand what happened between Merckx and Maertens I have read
> several books on Merckx, as well as Freddy Maertens book "Fall from Grace"
> as well as watched the video of the finish of 1973 Worlds a hundred times,
> and I sent a letter with my opinions on this incident to Cyclingnews.com
> that was published and can be read at this link.
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/
>
> Brian (still freezing to death in the Great White North) Booth
> Toronto, Ontario, Canada
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:17:16 +0100 (MET)
> From: "kim klakow" <Akimbo71@gmx.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]ebay selling - me
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> Hi all,
>
> last Thursday I listed some things on ebay. Just a little this time, since
> I
> am in the process of moving privately and with the company. Be patient
> when
> you have questions.
> Items listes include:
>
> 1 Vintage 60s Weinmann Vainquer 999 Brake, Long reach
> 1 Vintage 60s Weinmann Vainquer 999 Brake, short reach
> Vintage 60s Weinmann Vainquer 999 Brake Levers
> Vintage 60s Weinmann Competition Brake Levers
> Vintage 1981 Weinmann Vainquer 750 Brakeset
> Vintage 70s Stronglight Mod. 93 Crankset
> Vintage NOS Campagnolo Victory Chainring - 52T
>
> To be found under:
>
> http://ebay.com/
> or seller ID: akimbo71
>
> Back to packing,
> kim
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> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:47:59 -0500
> From: "Edward Albert" <Edward.H.Albert@hofstra.edu>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Re: Doc Morton
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> Sorry, got Mike's web address wrong. Its http://www.bikespecialties.com
> Edward Albert
> Chappaqua, NY
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:33:14 -0800 (PST)
> From: Derek Willburn <morganx9@yahoo.com>
> To: VintageBikes <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Maertens and Merckx
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> Hi Brian,
> This is taken from your letter to CyclingNews:
>
> "First, Maertens did not bring Gimondi and Ocana
> across, Maertens bridged across on his own and offered
> to work with Merckx and let him take the win, Eddy
> refused and immediately stopped riding..."
>
> My questions:
> How did Merckx refuse? Are you saying that Maertens
> knew he was on his own by Eddy's refusal? If Merckx
> stopped riding, why did Maertens try to lead him out?
>
> Thanks,
> Derek Willburn
> Long Beach, CA
>
> --- BJay Booth <swiftybjb@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> To try to understand what happened between Merckx
>> and Maertens I have read several books on Merckx, as
>> well as Freddy Maertens book "Fall from Grace" as
>> well as watched the video of the finish of 1973
>> Worlds a hundred times, and I sent a letter with my
>> opinions on this incident to Cyclingnews.com that
>> was published and can be read at this link.
>>
>>
>>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/
>>
>> Brian (still freezing to death in the Great White
>> North) Booth
>> Toronto, Ontario, Canada
>>
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> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:35:38 -0800 (PST)
> From: Peter Naiman <hetchinspete1@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Traditional English Touring Shoes
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> This was on the Boblist a bit ago. Check out this website for English
> Touring Shoes at about L80 Brittish Sterling.
>
> http://www.reynoldsshoes.co.uk/
>
> Peter Naiman
> Glendale, WI
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:42:54 EST
> From: Philcycles@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Traditional English Touring Shoes
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>
> In a message dated 2/13/06 11:36:14 AM, hetchinspete1@yahoo.com writes:
>
>>This was on the Boblist a bit ago. Check out this website for English
>>Touring
>>Shoes at about L80 Brittish Sterling.
>> http://www.reynoldsshoes.co.uk/
>>
>>
> Mr. Reynolds-now gone-made my shoes 30 years ago. Carnac-available
> through
> St. John Street Cycles-also makes a traditional looking shoe.
> Phil Brown
> San Rafael, Calif.
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:47:53 -0500 (EST)
> From: BJay Booth <swiftybjb@rogers.com>
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Maertens and Merckx
> Message-ID: <20060213194753.37541.qmail@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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> Derek,
>
> I am just writing what I have read in interviews with Maertens. In Les
> Woodlands book "Cycling Heroes" he interviews Maertens and Maertens says
> that when he got up to Merckx he offered to work with Eddy and let him
> have the win, Eddy supposedly said "I don't know if I can trust you" and
> stopped riding. Then the other 2 caught up to them and we know what
> heppened next. Maertens also said that he should have won anyway but
> Gimondi switched him at the last second and he didn't launch a protest
> because "we mustn't upset our Italian friends".
>
> I have never personally interviewed Merckx ot Maertens so this is all
> second hand, to quote another famous American "all I know is what I read
> in the papers" (Will Rogers for those of you who don't remember).
>
> Brian (there's no hills in Ontario so what's with the 10 speed cassettes)
> Booth
> Toronto, Ontario, CANADA
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Brian,
> This is taken from your letter to CyclingNews:
>
> "First, Maertens did not bring Gimondi and Ocana
> across, Maertens bridged across on his own and offered
> to work with Merckx and let him take the win, Eddy
> refused and immediately stopped riding..."
>
> My questions:
> How did Merckx refuse? Are you saying that Maertens
> knew he was on his own by Eddy's refusal? If Merckx
> stopped riding, why did Maertens try to lead him out?
>
> Thanks,
> Derek Willburn
> Long Beach, CA
>
> --- BJay Booth <swiftybjb@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> To try to understand what happened between Merckx
>> and Maertens I have read several books on Merckx, as
>> well as Freddy Maertens book "Fall from Grace" as
>> well as watched the video of the finish of 1973
>> Worlds a hundred times, and I sent a letter with my
>> opinions on this incident to Cyclingnews.com that
>> was published and can be read at this link.
>>
>>
>>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/
>>
>> Brian (still freezing to death in the Great White
>> North) Booth
>> Toronto, Ontario, Canada
>>
>
>
>
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