Tom, Thanks for the link. I forgot to mention the last European team they supplied frames for was Still Follis in 1963. Think I am correct in saying that Francis Rigon F, Antonin Rolland F and Willy Trepp SW rode for them that year. Rigon rode one TdeF in 1969, Rolland 10 TdeF with 2 stage wins to his name and Trepp 1 TdeF in 1960. Willy was better known on the track. Best wishes Joe. Croeso Cymru Joe King Nr. Maenaddwyn Ynys Mon Wales