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Having read through the many postings over the last couple of days, I really think we need to ask why in the world "even good bikes" like the Masi mentioned, have it. My commuter/town bike, a 1980 Nishiki Cresta fendered tourer with 700x37s has just a touch of it (I ride a 53 all the time). Hasn't been a problem. Let me say here that my riding bikes have the same sizing, including saddle 2" above the bars. I attain this by altering things like seatpost setback and stem length.... So the Nishiki, the Hi-E Cosmopolitan (overlap), the '72 LeJeune, the '77 Eisentraut "A", the '50s Follis rando, '61 Legnano etc are basically different perceptionally as a result of the geometry of the frame.
6 years ago I had a custom go-fast frame made for me by one of the Boston area Ti firms. We ended up with gobs of toe overlap and there was good reason. In order to get a near 50-50 weight distribution, the front wheel was brought rearward-- more under the frame-- and I got a longer stem, too. The result was a revelation! To naysayers, and I was one of them in the past, I say, keep an open mind. It may take a little practice, especially when standing for traffic lights, but there are reasons for its existence.
Ken Wehrenberg, Hermann, MO USA