<< ...Eisentrauts and several Limiteds over the years, ... (snip)... A pointless distinction if ever there was one! >>
Hi ho Gene:
I have handled all of the above at various times over the years and I can say with reasonable assuredness that the mod. Limiteds were "uneven", I assume depending up the hands that made them and the speed that they were produced. ...
On the other hand, the "A" frames I have seen seemed to be a distinct cut above aesthetically, more TLC in filing up and joinery finesse.
The Rainbow 'Trauts suffered this same malady as that of the Unlimited that of being unpredictable. Last time I was in Terry Shaw's shop in Santa Clara, CA, he had a quite nicely made Rainbow Traut hanging on the wall. http://www.classicrendezvous.com/
None of this has much to do with riding quality; as a frame can look like crap and ride well, and vice versa.
Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina USA
-----Original Message----- From: radfin@SpiritOne.com To: hetchinspete1@yahoo.com Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [CR]FS; 1972 Albert Eisentraut frameset. One (or several) last thought(s).
I've had the pleasure of re-spraying several Eisentrauts and several Limiteds over the years, here are a few (IMHO) relevant observations
If it wasn't built for you, made to order, custom, What possible difference could it make if its a beautifully crafted hand built "production" frame or a bespoke (thats small "b", I'm sure one of Norris' frames is beyond special), custom or whatever made for someone else? A pointless distinction if ever there was one!
I don't know if the Limiteds I've sprayed were built by Bruce Gordon or one or another of Mr. Eisentrauts other coconspirators. The first Limited I sprayed is easily among the finest frames I've ever had the pleasure of working on. Granted I never got to ride it, I acknowledge that the proof is in the riding, but...................... I've not yet sprayed an "A" frame equal to that one, but maybe it was made on a really good day
If anybody on this list really thinks Bruce was as all abrupt about this frame, call Albert and ask him about Limiteds. I'll watch from over here, thanks.
And CycleArt has the original artwork for these decal and will reproduce them for a price. Talk to Susan.
On Dec 15, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Peter Naiman wrote:
> Bob; All information I passed onto the list with regard to this frame > was given to me by the shop owner from which I purchased the frame, > and as I'm a trusting soul, I took this information to be correct. You > could have written "offlist" as to your thoughts on this frame, since > as I was not aware, you worked at Eisentrauts in the 70s. Out of > respect for your knowledge of this frame, I would gladly have > corrected the information provided to the list members.
>
> In the future If I sell an item to the list and you find my > information needs correcting or editing, please have enough respect > for me as a list member to make suggested corrrections offlist, and I > will do so in a follow up to the list.
>
> Regards,
> Peter Naiman
> Glendale, WI
>
>
> Bruce Gordon <bgcycles@svn.net> wrote:
> In an effort to set the record straight. The bike pictured is NOT an
> Eisentraut "A" frame. It is a "Limited" - the cheaper production frames
> made by Eisentraut Bicycles Inc.
> It is not a 1972 - the first Limiteds were made in 1975, I think.
> The fork is NOT the original, and the decals are wrong. Also, the head > lugs
> were not chromed from the factory.
> How do I know all this??? I probably made the frame.
> Regards,
> Bruce Gordon
> Bruce Gordon Cycles
> http://www.bgcycles.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Peter > Naiman
> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 9:51 AM
> To: classicrendezvous
> Subject: [CR]FS;1972 Albert Eisentraut frameset. 21&1/2" CC, original
> condition.
>
> For sale; A very nice 1972 Albert Eisentraut frame set, size 21&1/2" > with a
> top tube, and seat tube measurements center to center. The seat tube is
> 27.2mm, rear spacing is 126mm and wheelbase is 39" measured CC on the > front
> and rear dropouts. Top and down tube are gloss black, with white head > tube
> panel, and seat tube. Head lugs are chromed with spade cut outs in the
> spearponts. Spade cutouts also appear in the seat lug. The fork and > rear
> stays are silver enamel and appear to be clearcoated.
>
> I purchased the bike frame a year ago, and have ridden it a bit this > past
> summer, and found it a great rider. It is according to the prior owner > in
> original enamel, which is all in very nice condition except for the > head
> tube panel that was scratched in shipping. Repaint of the headtube > should be
> a minor expense, maybe $50 and is reflected in my asking price of $750 > or
> best offer.
>
> Jpgs are available by clicking on the URL below for the Wool Jersey > album:
>
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
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