AW: [CR]Moser frame building history explained

(Example: Framebuilding:Tubing:Falck)

From: "Schmid" <schmidi@gaponline.de>
To: <bikes@msu.edu>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: AW: [CR]Moser frame building history explained
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:21:08 +0100
In-Reply-To: <002001c73f0f$adf34890$de570a23@pplant.msu.edu>


Tim, I see quite a lot old Mosers around here and just have finished restoring one. I would date your bike between 1978 and 1980 because it has the flat fork crown. I have a similiar but bent frame which is a little later built and this one has an unique Moser/columbus Frame sticker. I would guess that yours has SL tubing which was quite common at that time for the topline frames that it is. If you want I can send you some pictures in the next days. Those frames were so common here because it was easy going over the border to Trento, custom order your bike, ride it for some miles to make it look "used" and then take it back over the border without pying customs stating you bought it where you live. That way it was the cheapest way to get an italian frame...That was all before we got the EU and customs are no issue anymore. Regards

Michael

Michael Schmid Oberammergau Germany Tel.: +49 8821 798790 Fax.:+49 8821 798791 mail: schmid@zunterer.com http://www.zunterer.com

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] Im Auftrag von Tim Potter Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. Januar 2007 17:58 An: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Betreff: [CR]Moser frame building history explained

I received the following from Greg at Moser Cycles USA which nicely explains Moser frame building history for reference.

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From: Todd Kreider [mailto:info@mosercycles.com]

Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 10:42 AM

To: MSU Bike Project

Subject: RE: Looking for information on early '80s Moser frames

Tim, this bike is nice! Looks in good condition and very typical for the

period. The history of Moser and DeRosa goes until 1978 when Moser wanted

his name on the DeRosa frame and Ugo refused. Moser then hired Antonio

Brandazzi away from Bottecchia to start his frame shop in Trento thus the

birth of Cicli F. Moser. Without knowing the tubing this could be one of

several models. They built lugged steel frames using SL, Cro-Mor and Aelle

tubing. The SL frame was called the Professional and this was the model to

have before they started fillet brazed Leader AX frames in 1988.

Moser has never responded to e-mail about older bikes but you can try:

info@ciclimoser.it. Marco speaks English, Francesco does not.

Greg @ Moser Cycles 717 560 2832

-----Original Message-----

From: MSU Bike Project [mailto:bikes@msu.edu]

Sent: Sat 1/20/2007 6:21 PM

To: Todd Kreider

Cc: bikes@msu.edu

Subject: Looking for information on early '80s Moser frames

Hello,

I recently purchased a Francesco Moser from the early '80s and am

having a very difficult time getting any information on it. I would

be very grateful if you could provide any information you might have

on these framesets of that period.

I've read that De Rosa was making frames for Moser in the mid-70's;

do you know if De Rosa continued building frames for Moser in the early

'80s?

This particular Moser has no serial number anywhere on it that I can

locate. Was this common, or is the number in some obscure location?

Finally, would you happen to know what tubing these framesets were

made with? There is a very small bit of a Columbus decal in the

usual spot, but it's impossible to tell the tubing type.

Here are some photos of the bike for reference:

http://www.potterspix.com/biking/moser/

I'd be more than happy to pay some fee for this information if

necessary. Also, if there's any chance to purchase historical

materials on the FM bikes of that era I would love to know about

anything that might be available.

Many thanks,

Tim Potter MSU Bikes

Bessey Hall & Red Cedar River Tr.

517/432-3400

Email: bikes@msu.edu

http://www.bikes.msu.edu http://www.bikes.msu.edu/

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