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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 1981 Cinelli Laser? 2. Re: More about pedal thread repair (Robert Freitas) 3. Re: Looking for a CR member who can receive a bike for me! 4. Re: Re: More about pedal thread repair (John Betmanis) 5. Re: 1981 Cinelli Laser? (Chuck Schmidt) 6. Daccordi Funny Bike 7. Re: 1981 Cinelli Laser? 8. re: MAFAC brake lever hoods 9. Re: Re: More about pedal thread repair (Jon Brownell) 10. Re: 1981 Cinelli Laser? (Guy Apple) 11. Re: My Auctions are NOT up! 12. Re: Daccordi Funny Bike (Marc St. Martin)
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Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 22:06:09 +0000 (GMT) From: gholl@optonline.net To: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> Cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]1981 Cinelli Laser? Message-ID: <e37ee190378.463fa2d1@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <4C976C87-F093-48BC-BA09-D4F30A5C62A3@earthlink.net> References: <c61.122d50c4.3370b184@aol.com> <e7fef32c6aa8.463f8379@optonline.net> <4C976C87-F093-48BC-BA09-D4F30A5C62A3@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 1
Dear Mr. Schmidt:
The Modolo Kronos brakes on my Laser work very well. So do the ones on my
Colnago Cx.
I have purchased both well used and unused Modolo Kronos brakes. The last
set I bought, from Europe, was used by the former owner for many years. I
may have extra sets, both used and unused, if you are interested. Like all
high-tech parts they must be properly installed and maintained. I have
original intruction manuals as well.
Please know that the Laser and Kronos brakes were most likely designed for
TT use.
There is no bondo and there are no cracks on Cinelli Laser #007.
George Hollenberg, MD
CT, USA
>
> On May 7, 2007, at 12:52 PM, George Hollenberg wrote:
>
> > As in all areas of our hobby there's a lot of dis-information
> about
> > the Laser, too, i.e., that the tube shapes were done with
> bondo--
> > (nonsense), and that the Kronos brakes wouldn't stop the bike--
> (not
> > true either), etc.
>
>
> Unfortunately, quite a bit of the fairing of the tubes into each
>
> other at the head tube was accomplished with lots of bondo.
> This is
> very apparent to the eye when you see all the cracks in the
> surface
> around the back of the headtube fairing as the bondo has shrunk
> over
> the years. The few Laser's I saw had these cracks developing
> when
> the bikes were still fairly new (four or five years old?). I
> loved
> the look, these extreme design/aesthetic exercises at which
> Italians
> excel, but the cracking of the bondo was one of the reasons I
> was
> happy not to own one.
>
> Oh, and I rode with friends that tried Modolo Kronos on their
> racing
> bikes and eventually took them off their bikes after a few
> months
> because of the braking was only marginal at best. I'd be
> willing to
> wager that you'll never find a "well used" set of Modolo Kronos
> brakes for auction on eBay... they were all show and no go (stop?).
>
> "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"
> -- Groucho Marx
>
> Sincerely,
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, CA
>
> _______________________________________________
>
George Hollenberg MD CT, USA
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Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:07:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Freitas <freitas1@pacbell.net> To: oroboyz@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: More about pedal thread repair Message-ID: <774203.61497.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <8C95ED64BC82141-B2C-C7FC@MBLK-M32.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 2
That brazing rod is actually Zinc or at least what I sell is.I did try to use it on a crankarm but I could not get it to stay in the threads.Who knows how it would tap. We do have a very sophisticated Alloy rod(its actually an Arc rod) that can be used as a brazing rod . It can be used with Mapp gas(not propane) but as thick as a crankarm is you could never get enough heat in it. Another way might be Mig or Tig and I will give that a try. Once this is all done those Eldi Repairs look better and better. BOB FREITAS jack of all trades mobile in PETALUMA,CA USA
oroboyz@aol.com wrote: << Anyone tried floating more material into the hole and just retapping?(Aluminum brazing?) >>
I haven't seen the ads lately but does anyone remeber those low temperature aluminum like repair sticks that were on TV and at various public expos a few years back? I imagined that that stuff might serve this fill-in-and-retap role.
But that stuff looked too good to be true so I always presumed there was some not-so-hot aspect that doesn't appear in the persuasive presentations.
Anyone try that stuff? (I have deja vue and think we may have talked about this before...)
OTOH, the Eldi repair process seems to provide a very good permanent solution...
Dale Brown cycles de ORO, Inc. 1410 Mill Street Greensboro, North Carolina 27408 USA 336.274.5959 http://www.cyclesdeoro.com http://www.classicrendezvous.com
-----Original Message----- From: freitas1@pacbell.net To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Mon, 7 May 2007 1:29 AM Subject: [CR]re:Pedal Thread repair
Spring type thread repairs (Helicoil, Red dot etc) are common and looking at that link are quite inexpensive. Problem is the material they are made out of is on the soft side and the fastener (or in this case the pedal) pulls directly against the thread insert. During the installation you are enlarging the hole which in this use weakens the crank arm. Is anyone familiar with the Eldi repair ,I like the idea of the solid bushing but is the wall thickness more than 1 mm ? Advantage a bushing repair has is that your pedal is not pulling against the thread and the bushing itself adds strength to the arm. Anyone tried floating more material into the hole and just retapping?(Aluminum brazing?) BOB FREITAS MILL VALLEY, CA USA disclaimer: I sell Helicoil, Red dot ,Keensert and Timesert
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Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 22:08:03 +0000 (GMT) From: gholl@optonline.net To: Hilary Stone <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk> Cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR] Looking for a CR member who can receive a bike for me! Message-ID: <e482dbbf9ea.463fa343@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <463F8CEC.9070302@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <451762.54886.qm@web31411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <463F8CEC.9070302@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 3
If it is a Cinelli Laser I will be happy to receive it. George Hollenberg, MD CT, USA PS: My laboratory offices are about fifteen miles from JFK Airport.
> I was wondering whether there was a CR member living in New York
> who
> could receive a bike for me in the next week; I will fly into
> into New
> York on the 30th May before the Cirque and would like to be able
> to pick
> up a bike I have just bought on Ebay which needs delivering
> within the
> USA. I would like to be able to ride it in the week before the
> Cirque!
> We are hiring a camper and are going to drive down to the Blue
> Ridge
> mountains...
>
> Hilary Stone, Bristol, England
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
George Hollenberg MD CT, USA
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Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 18:30:45 -0400 From: John Betmanis <johnb@oxford.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Re: More about pedal thread repair Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20070507183045.012e5850@mailhost.oxford.net> In-Reply-To: <774203.61497.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8C95ED64BC82141-B2C-C7FC@MBLK-M32.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4
At 03:07 PM 07/05/2007 -0700, Robert Freitas wrote:
>
> That brazing rod is actually Zinc or at least what I sell is.I did try
to use it on a crankarm but I could not get it to stay in the threads.Who
knows how it would tap.
I suspect the rod I picked up was also a zinc alloy, not aluminum. It was
very hard to file and from my experience with how poorly it bonded to
aluminum, I expect it would break loose from the threads before it would
allow itself to be cut. This stuff also required no flux, which makes me
suspicious. The Muggy Weld material needs flux.
http://www.muggyweld.com/
John Betmanis Woodstock, Ontario Canada ------------------------------
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:34:44 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]1981 Cinelli Laser? Message-ID: <B497ABBC-F85C-44C6-9456-2448DC2C3680@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <e37ee190378.463fa2d1@optonline.net> References: <c61.122d50c4.3370b184@aol.com> <e7fef32c6aa8.463f8379@optonline.net> <4C976C87-F093-48BC-BA09-D4F30A5C62A3@earthlink.net> <e37ee190378.463fa2d1@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5
Dear Mr. Hollenberg, Medical Doctor: Happy to hear that your experiences run counter to mine. Yes, you are absolutely correct in your guess that the Modolo Kronos brakes were designed for Time Trial use. And it's also heartening to hear that your particular Cinelli Laser has no bondo or cracks as the Lasers that I observed years ago did.
However to characterize one man's first hand observations of the existence of bondo in the manufacture of the Cinelli Laser as "nonsense" is ill-mannered and does nothing to further the discussion of Cinelli Lasers or even Modolo Kronos brakes for that matter.
"Tis with our judgments as our watches: None go just alike, yet each believes his own." --Alexander Pope (1688-1744)
Chuck Schmidt, GD (Graphic Designer) CA, USA
On May 7, 2007, at 3:06 PM, George Hollenberg, MD wrote:
> Dear Mr. Schmidt:
> The Modolo Kronos brakes on my Laser work very well. So do the ones
> on my Colnago Cx.
> I have purchased both well used and unused Modolo Kronos brakes.
> The last set I bought, from Europe, was used by the former owner
> for many years. I may have extra sets, both used and unused, if
> you are interested. Like all high-tech parts they must be properly
> installed and maintained. I have original intruction manuals as well.
> Please know that the Laser and Kronos brakes were most likely
> designed for TT use.
> There is no bondo and there are no cracks on Cinelli Laser #007.
> George Hollenberg, MD
> CT, USA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chuck Schmidt
> Date: Monday, May 7, 2007 4:22 pm
> Subject: Re: [CR]1981 Cinelli Laser?
> To: CR RENDEZVOUS
>
>>
>> On May 7, 2007, at 12:52 PM, George Hollenberg wrote:
>>
>>> As in all areas of our hobby there's a lot of dis-information
>> about
>>> the Laser, too, i.e., that the tube shapes were done with
>> bondo--
>>> (nonsense), and that the Kronos brakes wouldn't stop the bike--
>> (not
>>> true either), etc.
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, quite a bit of the fairing of the tubes into each
>>
>> other at the head tube was accomplished with lots of bondo.
>> This is
>> very apparent to the eye when you see all the cracks in the
>> surface
>> around the back of the headtube fairing as the bondo has shrunk
>> over
>> the years. The few Laser's I saw had these cracks developing
>> when
>> the bikes were still fairly new (four or five years old?). I
>> loved
>> the look, these extreme design/aesthetic exercises at which
>> Italians
>> excel, but the cracking of the bondo was one of the reasons I
>> was
>> happy not to own one.
>>
>> Oh, and I rode with friends that tried Modolo Kronos on their
>> racing
>> bikes and eventually took them off their bikes after a few
>> months
>> because of the braking was only marginal at best. I'd be
>> willing to
>> wager that you'll never find a "well used" set of Modolo Kronos
>> brakes for auction on eBay... they were all show and no go (stop?).
>>
>> "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"
>> -- Groucho Marx
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Chuck Schmidt
>> South Pasadena, CA
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>
> George Hollenberg MD
> CT, USA
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 22:58:17 +0000 (GMT) From: gholl@optonline.net To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Daccordi Funny Bike Message-ID: <e37eec8c7a77.463faf09@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 6
Can anyone give me any information regarding this funny bike? If it is not
on topic (I don't know), I will remove it forthwith.
The second photo is the detail of the seat tube.
I have neither painted or retouched the paint. The original owner denied
painting the bike.
http://i169.photobucket.com/
http://i169.photobucket.com/
George Hollenberg, MD CT, USA
George Hollenberg MD CT, USA
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Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 23:08:47 +0000 (GMT) From: gholl@optonline.net To: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> Cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]1981 Cinelli Laser? Message-ID: <e7fe82266e05.463fb17f@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <B497ABBC-F85C-44C6-9456-2448DC2C3680@earthlink.net> References: <c61.122d50c4.3370b184@aol.com> <e7fef32c6aa8.463f8379@optonline.net> <4C976C87-F093-48BC-BA09-D4F30A5C62A3@earthlink.net> <e37ee190378.463fa2d1@optonline.net> <B497ABBC-F85C-44C6-9456-2448DC2C3680@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 7
Dear Mr. Schmidt:
I meant no personal insult to you in the use of the term "nonsense" as far
as the use of bondo on the Cinelli Laser; however, in the absence of proof
that bondo was used in the manufacture of the Cinelli Laser the
characterization stands.
If you can provide such proof, I will retract my remark forthwith.
I repeat that no bondo was used on #007. The photos I have already provided.
George Hollenberg, MD
CT,USA
> Dear Mr. Hollenberg, Medical Doctor:
> Happy to hear that your experiences run counter to mine. Yes,
> you
> are absolutely correct in your guess that the Modolo Kronos
> brakes
> were designed for Time Trial use. And it's also heartening to
> hear
> that your particular Cinelli Laser has no bondo or cracks as the
>
> Lasers that I observed years ago did.
>
> However to characterize one man's first hand observations of the
>
> existence of bondo in the manufacture of the Cinelli Laser as
> "nonsense" is ill-mannered and does nothing to further the
> discussion
> of Cinelli Lasers or even Modolo Kronos brakes for that matter.
>
> "Tis with our judgments as our watches:
> None go just alike, yet each believes his own."
> --Alexander Pope (1688-1744)
>
> Chuck Schmidt, GD (Graphic Designer)
> CA, USA
>
>
> On May 7, 2007, at 3:06 PM, George Hollenberg, MD wrote:
>
> > Dear Mr. Schmidt:
> > The Modolo Kronos brakes on my Laser work very well. So do the
> ones
> > on my Colnago Cx.
> > I have purchased both well used and unused Modolo Kronos
> brakes.
> > The last set I bought, from Europe, was used by the former
> owner
> > for many years. I may have extra sets, both used and unused,
> if
> > you are interested. Like all high-tech parts they must be
> properly
> > installed and maintained. I have original intruction manuals
> as well.
> > Please know that the Laser and Kronos brakes were most likely
> > designed for TT use.
> > There is no bondo and there are no cracks on Cinelli Laser #007.
> > George Hollenberg, MD
> > CT, USA
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Chuck Schmidt
> > Date: Monday, May 7, 2007 4:22 pm
> > Subject: Re: [CR]1981 Cinelli Laser?
> > To: CR RENDEZVOUS
> >
> >>
> >> On May 7, 2007, at 12:52 PM, George Hollenberg wrote:
> >>
> >>> As in all areas of our hobby there's a lot of dis-information
> >> about
> >>> the Laser, too, i.e., that the tube shapes were done with
> >> bondo--
> >>> (nonsense), and that the Kronos brakes wouldn't stop the
> bike--
> >> (not
> >>> true either), etc.
> >>
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, quite a bit of the fairing of the tubes into each
> >>
> >> other at the head tube was accomplished with lots of bondo.
> >> This is
> >> very apparent to the eye when you see all the cracks in the
> >> surface
> >> around the back of the headtube fairing as the bondo has shrunk
> >> over
> >> the years. The few Laser's I saw had these cracks developing
> >> when
> >> the bikes were still fairly new (four or five years old?). I
> >> loved
> >> the look, these extreme design/aesthetic exercises at which
> >> Italians
> >> excel, but the cracking of the bondo was one of the reasons I
> >> was
> >> happy not to own one.
> >>
> >> Oh, and I rode with friends that tried Modolo Kronos on their
> >> racing
> >> bikes and eventually took them off their bikes after a few
> >> months
> >> because of the braking was only marginal at best. I'd be
> >> willing to
> >> wager that you'll never find a "well used" set of Modolo Kronos
> >> brakes for auction on eBay... they were all show and no go (stop?).
> >>
> >> "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"
> >> -- Groucho Marx
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Chuck Schmidt
> >> South Pasadena, CA
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >
> > George Hollenberg MD
> > CT, USA
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
> _______________________________________________
>
George Hollenberg MD CT, USA
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Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 19:10:01 -0400 From: <saint09@bellsouth.net> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: re: [CR]MAFAC brake lever hoods Message-ID: <20070507231001.GTOG1041.ibm67aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8
John. Since there haven't been any other responses to your question about the Mafac brake lever hoods, I'll offer up my input. CycleArt (on their Ebay site) claims these hoods will also fit the Universal and Mafac brake levers. I've never tried them so I can't vouch for the fit. However, if these are the same style as the old Weinmann hoods, it would stand to reason that repro Weinmann hoods would work as well. Personally, I seemed to have better luck buying the complete Mafac brake levers with hoods rather than just the hoods themselves. This way, you get a set of used hoods but also extra levers at a more reasonable price than just new original hoods. The black hoods seem to deterriorate while the brown hoods just get hard, but I've been treating mine with a protectorant like Armorall that seems to prolong their life. Some may disagree with this, but it works for me. Hope this helps.
check these out: Ebay Item number: 140106374523
Fred Durrette Summerville, SC; USA
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Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:23:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Brownell <mimisugi@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Re: More about pedal thread repair Message-ID: <538444.60770.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <774203.61497.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 9
These guys seem to have a range of low temp repair metals. Might be worth a call.
http://tinmantech.chainreactionweb.com/
Jon Brownell Mill Valley, CA, USA
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Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:35:12 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Guy Apple <cinelliguy@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]1981 Cinelli Laser? Message-ID: <1309105.1178580912972.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: Guy Apple <cinelliguy@earthlink.net> Message: 10
Hi guys,
I own #13 and had it restored by Brian B about two years ago. The reason for the resto was to repair deeply cracking bondo between the head and downtube junction points. Also coming out of that crack was a very small, hard to see rust stain. Brian being the craftsman that he is removed all bondo from that junction, clean out a minor amount of surface rust and rebondo with modern non-expanding/contracting bondo. He said to me at the time there is alot of bondo on this frame at the junction points which he also removed and reapplied modern bondo. Bondo on the bike, you can bet on mine have it.
On the other hand, I own a early 80s Laser Evo kilo track bike (disk f/r) and I can not detect any bondo at all on that bike frame at the junction points.
Best to all,
Guy Apple Sunnyvale CA USA
-----Original Message-----
>From: gholl@optonline.net
>Sent: May 7, 2007 4:08 PM
>To: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
>Cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: Re: [CR]1981 Cinelli Laser?
>
>Dear Mr. Schmidt:
>I meant no personal insult to you in the use of the term "nonsense" as far
as the use of bondo on the Cinelli Laser; however, in the absence of proof
that bondo was used in the manufacture of the Cinelli Laser the
characterization stands.
>If you can provide such proof, I will retract my remark forthwith.
>I repeat that no bondo was used on #007. The photos I have already
provided.
>George Hollenberg, MD
>CT,USA
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Chuck Schmidt
>Date: Monday, May 7, 2007 6:35 pm
>Subject: Re: [CR]1981 Cinelli Laser?
>To: Classic Rendezvous
>
>> Dear Mr. Hollenberg, Medical Doctor:
>> Happy to hear that your experiences run counter to mine. Yes,
>> you
>> are absolutely correct in your guess that the Modolo Kronos
>> brakes
>> were designed for Time Trial use. And it's also heartening to
>> hear
>> that your particular Cinelli Laser has no bondo or cracks as the
>>
>> Lasers that I observed years ago did.
>>
>> However to characterize one man's first hand observations of the
>>
>> existence of bondo in the manufacture of the Cinelli Laser as
>> "nonsense" is ill-mannered and does nothing to further the
>> discussion
>> of Cinelli Lasers or even Modolo Kronos brakes for that matter.
>>
>> "Tis with our judgments as our watches:
>> None go just alike, yet each believes his own."
>> --Alexander Pope (1688-1744)
>>
>> Chuck Schmidt, GD (Graphic Designer)
>> CA, USA
>>
>>
>> On May 7, 2007, at 3:06 PM, George Hollenberg, MD wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Mr. Schmidt:
>> > The Modolo Kronos brakes on my Laser work very well. So do the
>> ones
>> > on my Colnago Cx.
>> > I have purchased both well used and unused Modolo Kronos
>> brakes.
>> > The last set I bought, from Europe, was used by the former
>> owner
>> > for many years. I may have extra sets, both used and unused,
>> if
>> > you are interested. Like all high-tech parts they must be
>> properly
>> > installed and maintained. I have original intruction manuals
>> as well.
>> > Please know that the Laser and Kronos brakes were most likely
>> > designed for TT use.
>> > There is no bondo and there are no cracks on Cinelli Laser #007.
>> > George Hollenberg, MD
>> > CT, USA
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Chuck Schmidt
>> > Date: Monday, May 7, 2007 4:22 pm
>> > Subject: Re: [CR]1981 Cinelli Laser?
>> > To: CR RENDEZVOUS
>> >
>> >>
>> >> On May 7, 2007, at 12:52 PM, George Hollenberg wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> As in all areas of our hobby there's a lot of dis-information
>> >> about
>> >>> the Laser, too, i.e., that the tube shapes were done with
>> >> bondo--
>> >>> (nonsense), and that the Kronos brakes wouldn't stop the
>> bike--
>> >> (not
>> >>> true either), etc.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Unfortunately, quite a bit of the fairing of the tubes into each
>> >>
>> >> other at the head tube was accomplished with lots of bondo.
>> >> This is
>> >> very apparent to the eye when you see all the cracks in the
>> >> surface
>> >> around the back of the headtube fairing as the bondo has shrunk
>> >> over
>> >> the years. The few Laser's I saw had these cracks developing
>> >> when
>> >> the bikes were still fairly new (four or five years old?). I
>> >> loved
>> >> the look, these extreme design/aesthetic exercises at which
>> >> Italians
>> >> excel, but the cracking of the bondo was one of the reasons I
>> >> was
>> >> happy not to own one.
>> >>
>> >> Oh, and I rode with friends that tried Modolo Kronos on their
>> >> racing
>> >> bikes and eventually took them off their bikes after a few
>> >> months
>> >> because of the braking was only marginal at best. I'd be
>> >> willing to
>> >> wager that you'll never find a "well used" set of Modolo Kronos
>> >> brakes for auction on eBay... they were all show and no go (stop?).
>> >>
>> >> "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"
>> >> -- Groucho Marx
>> >>
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >> Chuck Schmidt
>> >> South Pasadena, CA
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >>
>> >
>> > George Hollenberg MD
>> > CT, USA
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>
>George Hollenberg MD
>CT, USA
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 19:41:18 EDT From: FujiFish1@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Cc: harryschwartzman@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [CR]My Auctions are NOT up! Message-ID: <cd1.e1f6657.3371131e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11
This may be late, as the items might already be showing up, but I thought it
helpful to post anyway. Auctions can always be found using Ebay item numbers, regardless of whether they show up in searches or not. If everyone is hot to see them, then simply post the item numbers to the list, and each one can be
gone to directly.
Ciao, Mark Agree Southfield MI USA ~ ~ ~
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:05:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Harry Schwartzman <harryschwartzman@yahoo.com> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]My Auctions are NOT up!
For some reason, as list members have pointed out to me, my auctions have not gone up even though I put them all up this morning. Apparently these things 'take time' according to Ebay.... I will let y'all know when the listings actually go up. The irony is that I can see the auctions on 'My Ebay', and the day/time counter acts as if the auction has been up from this morning which is not the case and is mildly infuriating to me. Anyway, my apologies to list members who are looking for the auctions, they will be up soon...maybe.
Check that Hami out, it's nice.
Harry Schwartzman (Waiting patiently in) Astoria, NYC
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Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:15:21 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: "Marc St. Martin" <marc.stmartin@earthlink.net> To: gholl@optonline.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Daccordi Funny Bike Message-ID: <20550550.1178583321668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: "Marc St. Martin" <marc.stmartin@earthlink.net> Message: 12
Hello Dr. Hall,
I would guess this one's on topic, but as always, I defer to the Listmeister for final judgement. Anyway, the thing that really grabbed my attention is the frame painter's sticker, "Hart." I have a '64 Schwinn Paramount which was taken to this shop for a repaint sometime in the '80s. It was the paint shop for a bicycle store called Hart Cycles in Nipomo, California. Nipomo is off Highway 101 close to Santa Maria, CA and near the CA coast. They no longer paint frames as per a call to them in '04.
Regards,
Marc St. Martin Livermore, CA (who wouldn't kick a Laser out of bed for eating crackers)
-----Original Message-----
>From: gholl@optonline.net
>Sent: May 7, 2007 3:58 PM
>To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Daccordi Funny Bike
>
>Can anyone give me any information regarding this funny bike? If it is not
on topic (I don't know), I will remove it forthwith.
>The second photo is the detail of the seat tube.
>I have neither painted or retouched the paint. The original owner denied
painting the bike.
> http://i169.photobucket.com/
>
>
> http://i169.photobucket.com/
>
>George Hollenberg, MD
>CT, USA
>
>George Hollenberg MD
>CT, USA
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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