Re: [CR]Colnago Frame Dating, Version III

(Example: Framebuilders:Alberto Masi)

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From: "Rodney Kugizaki" <kugi@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Colnago Frame Dating, Version III
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:59:27 -0700
To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>


Have come into possession of the frame in these photos

http://www.ritzelrechner.de/HomepageClassic01/mybikes.html

Seems to be a bit different than what is described below: - identified as a 1972 - but may easily be 1973 or 1974 - single club cutout in lower headtube lug (1974?) - Club/Colnago decal on headtube - Has water bottle braze-ons (1973) - Fork crown w/ clubs - (I think) no holes on sides - not sure what 'holes' are - seat tube has straight world bands - frame may have been repainted at some time, but not too sure - no braze-ons for shifters

Any thoughts?

Rodney Kugizaki Oro Valley, AZ, USA

On Sep 10, 2007, at 6:58 PM, Chuck Schmidt wrote:
> Hi Dan, I like photos and how and why are you almost certain it is
> a '72 Super?
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, CA
> USA
>
> On Sep 10, 2007, at 6:51 PM, DB wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I am lucky enough to have what I am almost certain is a 1972 Super.
>> It differs from Version III below in that it has 3 holes in each
>> fork tang, not 2, clover cutouts on all 3 lugs, and a small circle
>> cutout on the bottom part of the seat tube lug, below the top tube.
>> It is a 58cm, and I will email pics/measurements to anyone
>> interested.
>> Thanks!
>> -Dan Borden in Brookline, MA
>>
>> At 3:28 PM -0700 9/10/07, Chuck Schmidt wrote:
>>> Thanks to all of you that have responded (four so far).
>>>
>>> Need input on the following:
>>> -- Last year for club cutouts in all three lugs (changed to
>>> single club cutout in lower head lug)
>>> -- Plus anything else that's questionable... (thanks to those of
>>> you that have responded)
>>>
>>>
>>> =================================
>>> Colnago Frame Dating, Version III
>>> =================================
>>>
>>> 1969 and earlier?
>>> 1969 -- Playing card decal graphics
>>> 1969 -- Fork crown (sand cast) with two holes in each side
>>> 1969 -- Fork tangs wide, no cutouts
>>> 1969 -- Club cutouts in all three lugs
>>> 1969 -- Bottom bracket shell with drilled holes in circular pattern
>>> ----
>>> 1970 -- Fork crown (investment cast semi-sloping) with two holes
>>> in each side
>>> 1970 -- Club cutouts in all three lugs but club in lower head lug
>>> is now larger
>>> 1970 -- Bottom bracket shell with club cutout
>>> ----
>>> 1971 -- Fork tangs narrow, no cutouts
>>> ----
>>> 1972 -- Club/COLNAGO decal on head tube/seat tube (seat tube
>>> Worlds bands) and COLNAGO on down tube
>>> 1972 -- Fork crown with clubs in top and two holes in each side
>>> 1972 -- Fork tangs with two holes
>>> ----
>>> 1973 -- Wreath seat tube decal with two Worlds bands
>>> 1973 -- Fork crown with clubs on top but no holes in each side
>>> 1973 -- Water bottle braze-ons on downtube
>>> ----
>>> 1974 -- Fork tangs with club cutouts
>>> 1974 -- Club cutout in lower head lug only
>>> 1974 -- Shifter braze-ons on down tube
>>> ----
>>> 1975 -- Vertical COLNAGO seat tube decal with diagonal worlds
>>> stripes
>>> ----
>>> 1976 -- Fork crown with COLNAGO added to clubs on top
>>> 1976 -- Short Campagnolo dropouts
>>> ----
>>> 1977 -- Top tube cable guide braze-ons
>>> ----
>>> 1979 -- Fork crown for recessed brake bolt with shallow triangles
>>> cut into back
>>> 1979 -- Brake bridge for recessed brake bolt
>>> ----
>>> 1980 -- Short COLNAGO drop-outs and COLNAGO fork ends
>>> 1980 -- Fluted seat stay caps engraved COLNAGO and straight seat
>>> stays, no longer biconical
>>> 1980 -- Brake bridge with cast square boss for recessed brake bolt
>>> ----
>>> 1981 -- Chain stay bridge is small spool shape, no longer tube
>>> ----
>>> 1982 -- Chain stays stamped COLNAGO on sides
>>> 1982 -- Cable routing on underside of bottom bracket
>>> ----
>>> 1983 -- Aerodynamic fork crown
>>>
>>> NOTE:
>>> Year dates are approximate; changes might have occurred the end
>>> of one year or the beginning of the next for example. Paint
>>> schemes, panels, decals and chrome varied according to how
>>> importers spec'd their frames, so this all varied considerable.
>>> Dates and details based on the Classic Rendezvous archives, the
>>> Wool Jersey Gallery, and Colnago and Bikcology catalogs.
>>>
>>> ALL CORRECTIONS WELCOMED AND ENCOURAGED!
>>>
>>>
>>> Chuck Schmidt
>>> South Pasadena, CA USA
>>> http://www.velo-retro.com (reprints, t-shirts & timelines)