[CR]RE: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 59, Issue 83

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From: "Doug Smith" <douguk2007@hotmail.co.uk>
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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:25:14 +0000
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Subject: [CR]RE: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 59, Issue 83

Paul You could try Les at les@sendmanor.f9.co.uk for a diect contact. Be in touch Doug


> From: classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org> Subject: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 59, Issue 83> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:20:53 -0800> > Send Classicrendezvous mailing list submissions to> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrend ezvous> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> class icrendezvous-request@bikelist.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> classicrendezvous-owner@bikelist.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Classicren dezvous digest..."> > > CR> > Today's Topics:> > 1. Badge thuggery: boycott them ! (Nick March)> 2. Re: NYC Cycling Pics - 1982 (James Swan)> 3. Re: N YC Cycling Pics - 1982> 4. More....NYC Cycling Pics - 1982 (Dale Brown)> 5. Palmer Swap meet (Edward Albert)> 6. Black Friday (aldoross4)> 7. Needed c opy of Les Bowerman's paper on British Time-trialling> (Dr. Paul Williams)> 8. > Fork steerer length and headset stack? A fit or a mathematical> conun drum? (bruce thomson)> 9. Picture of the Day, missing in action? (bruce tho mson)> 10. Re: Fork steerer length and headset stack? A fit or a> mathemati cal conundrum? (Wayne Davidson)> 11. RE: fixie thing has gone too far! (bru ce thomson)> 12. Picture of the Day, missing in action? (Bob Hufford)> 13. RE: fixie thing has gone too far! (devotion finesse)> 14. RE: NYC Cycling P ics -Durdaller; VERY Long (John Pergolizzi)> > > -------------------------- --------------------------------------------> > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:4 4:19 +0100 (CET)> From: Nick March <nicbordeaux@yahoo.fr>> To: classicrende zvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Badge thuggery: boycott them !> Message-ID : <843820.37631.qm@web28007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit> P recedence: list> Message: 1> > I see somebody is auctioning a lovely badge, and I assume that this badge came his way via a thrid party, or was found in a box.> > If there is one thing in bike "collecting" circles, and sorry to offend but I mean to, that drives me really mad, it is the guys who stri p perfectly decent or recoverable bikes of their only ID for a quick buck. I will furthermore state that badge collectors and buyers are party to this crime. Ebay is full of badges for sale, every little nerd in France is pri zing badges off any bike he can get his dirty fingers on for a few euros. T hoiusands of bikes, and good ones too, not just mass produced junk.> > OK, we all need to make a buck, but anybody who is a true collector, anybody wh o loves bikes, should boycott solo badges lest their provenance be reputabl e and proven.> > I have two beautiful machines which will likely never be i dentified, because some congenital imbecile prized the badge off for an ext ra 10 euros before selling the bikes on.> > No personal offence to any part icular person meant, and if I get kicked off the list for this, so be it. > > Nick March, Mont de Marsan, 40 000 France> > > ------------------------- --------> Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart /alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> ------------- -----------------> > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:41:26 -0500> From: James Swa n <jswan@optonline.net>> To: Jonathanadamgree@aol.com> Cc: classicrendezvou s@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]NYC Cycling Pics - 1982> Message-ID: <587E ECC0-E643-46BB-8709-D61F41A889C0@optonline.net>> In-Reply-To: <d02.21a69314 .34778cb8@aol.com>> References: <d02.21a69314.34778cb8@aol.com>> Content-Ty pe: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed> MIME-Vers ion: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT> Precedence: list> Message: 2> > Joan's last name is Durdalleur so of course everyone said > "derailleur". S he has two sons, IIRC Paul and John, who were very > good riders in the lat e 70's. Coincidentally they both rode for Toga.> > Dale pointed out Paul Pe arson in the photos. Around that time Paul > lived in the Durdalleurs' base ment.> > A few years back John Pergolizzi rented a condo in San Deigo for t he > Winter and one of his neighbors noticed his bikes. The guy turns out > to be Paul Durdalleur.> > Here is a picture of Joan talking to another cyc ling luminary Fred > Mengioni. (you have to scroll down a bit)> > http://ce nterportcycles.com/pages/scrapbook/scrapbook02.html> > > > Jamie Swan> Nort hport, N.Y.> Centerport Cycles Inc.> http://www.centerportcycles.com> http: //www.limws.org> http://www.liatca.org> http://www.cabinfeverauctions.com>
> > > On Nov 22, 2007, at 8:54 PM, Jonathanadamgree@aol.com wrote:> > >> > Picture 39 and 40 is our now local to FL, USA cycling official > > Joan. I knew> > she had been doing it awhile but I didn't know 25+years. The next > > time she> > gives the smack down to one of the Juniors on my team I'm go nna > > show a picture> > of her and say "you aint the first". She takes no crap and now I > > know why.> >> > Jonathan Greene> > Oviedo FL> >> >> > I n a message dated 11/21/2007 11:07:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,> > devoti on_finesse@hotmail.com writes:> >> > Andy Shen just posted a bunch of great pics from the 1982 Union > > Square Crit> > erium:> >> > http://www.flickr .com/photos/daneil/sets/72157603247236974/detail/> >> > I recognize Lou Mal tese, Toga team kits, a Richard Sachs frame and > > a young> > Greg Lemond. ..> >> > Any other listmembers racing in NYC at that time remember that rac e?> >> > I was 4 years old and 3,000 miles away...> >> > Matthew Bowne> > B rooklyn, New York> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ********************************* *****Check out AOL's list of > > 2007's hottest> > products.> > (http://mon ey.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? > > NCID=aoltop00030000000001)> >>

anadamgree@aol.com> To: jswan@optonline.net> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist .org> Subject: Re: [CR]NYC Cycling Pics - 1982> Message-ID: <c4c.2300bd29.3 4782918@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> MIME-Vers ion: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 3> >
> In a message dated 11/23/2007 7:41:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jswan @optonline.net writes:> > Joan's last name is Durdalleur so of course every one said "derailleur". > > > > Jaime,> > FWIW Joan's name is now Joan Sheis .> > Jonathan Greene> Oviedo FL> > > > ************************************ **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest > products.> (http://money.aol.com /special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)> > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text
   body -- kept)> text/html> ---> ------------------------------> > Date: Fri , 23 Nov 2007 08:41:26 -0500> From: Dale Brown <oroboyz@aol.com>> To: jswan @optonline.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]More....NYC Cy cling Pics - 1982> Message-ID: <8C9FBEDADF90507-ADC-ED9@WEBMAIL-DC20.sysops .aol.com>> In-Reply-To: <587EECC0-E643-46BB-8709-D61F41A889C0@optonline.net
>> References: <d02.21a69314.34778cb8@aol.com>> <587EECC0-E643-46BB-8709-D6 1F41A889C0@optonline.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"> MIM E-Version: 1.0> Precedence: list> Message: 4> > > Jamie wrote: > << Joan's last name is Durdalleur so of course everyone said "derailleur". S> he has two sons, IIRC Paul and John, who were very good riders in the late 7> 0's.
   Coincidentally they both rode for Toga. >>> > Joan was an incredibly hard worker and although toughm, had a heart of gold.> .. Actually Paul rode for
   me for two years, during which he won the national> crit championship as a
   master (called "veteran" at that time.)> > << Dale pointed out Paul Pearso n in the photos. Around that time Paul lived > in the Durdalleurs' basement . >>> > Maybe that was when Paul lived in northern Va. just outside DC, the
   region w> here the Cirque will be taking place this coming Spring! > > << A few years back John Pergolizzi rented a condo in San Deigo for the Wint> er and one of his neighbors noticed his bikes. The guy turns out to be Paul
   > Durdalleur. >>> > That's cool. > > Richard Sachs saw these pics and sent
   this to me:> > << (Bruce) donaghy on shimano aero/tomasinni:> > http://www .flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2050001941&size=o&context=set-> 7215760 3247236974 >>> > The bikes those guys road are like this one:> http://www.c lassicrendezvous.com/Italy/Tommasini/Tomo_Ware_1.htm> > and Richrad added:>
   <<i saw many RS frames and some toga merceneries hired> just for the race:
   (Tom) prehn, pearson, jackson. also saw a> jeff bradley, alan mccormack, a nd many near famous> nyc area stars!> e-RICHIE©â\u201e¢Â®Â >>
> > > > > Dale Brown> cycles de ORO Bike Shop> 1410 Mill Street> Greensboro , North Carolina 27408 USA> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> From: J ames Swan <jswan@optonline.net>> To: Jonathanadamgree@aol.com> Cc: classicr endezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 7:41 am> Subject: Re: [CR]NY C Cycling Pics - 1982> > > > > > > > > > Joan's last name is Durdalleur so of course everyone said "derailleur". She > has two sons, IIRC Paul and Joh n, who were very good riders in the late 70's> . Coincidentally they both r ode for Toga. >  > > Dale pointed out Paul Pearson in the photos. Aro und that time Paul lived in > the Durdalleurs' basement. >  > > A few
   years back John Pergolizzi rented a condo in San Deigo for the Winter > an d one of his neighbors noticed his bikes. The guy turns out to be Paul Dur>
   dalleur. >  > > Here is a picture of Joan talking to another cycling
   luminary Fred Mengioni.> (you have to scroll down a bit) >  > > http ://centerportcycles.com/pages/scrapbook/scrapbook02.html >  > >  >
   > Jamie Swan > > Northport, N.Y. > > Centerport Cycles Inc. > > h ttp://www.centerportcycles.com > > http://www.limws.org > > http://ww w.liatca.org > > http://www.cabinfeverauctions.com >  > >  > > On Nov 22, 2007, at 8:54 PM, Jonathanadamgree@aol.com wrote: >  > > >  > > > Picture 39 and 40 is our now local to FL, USA cycling official > Joan. I > knew > > > she had been doing it awhile but I didn't know 25+y ears. The next > time s> he > > > gives the smack down to one of the Jun iors on my team I'm gonna > show a p> icture > > > of her and say "you a int the first". She takes no crap and now I > know wh> y. > > > > > >
   Jonathan Greene > > > Oviedo FL > > > > > > > > > In a message
   dated 11/21/2007 11:07:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > devotion_fi nesse@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > Andy Shen just posted a bunch o f great pics from the 1982 Union > Square > Crit > > > erium: > > >  > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/daneil/sets/72157603247236974/detail / > > > > > > I recognize Lou Maltese, Toga team kits, a Richard Sach s frame and > a yo> ung > > > Greg Lemond... > > > > > > Any other
   listmembers racing in NYC at that time remember that race?Â> > > >Â >
   > > I was 4 years old and 3,000 miles away... > > > > > > Matthew Bo wne > > > Brooklyn, New York > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > **************************************Check ou t AOL's list of > 2007's hot> test > > > products. > > > (http://mone y.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?> NCID=aoltop00030000000> 001) > >
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   > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ ____________> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free A OL Mail! - http> ://mail.aol.com> > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIM E parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/ht ml> ---> ------------------------------> > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:49:19 -0500> From: "Edward Albert" <Edward.H.Albert@hofstra.edu>> To: <Classicren dezvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: [CR]Palmer Swap meet> Message-ID: <s746a243 .024@gw15.hofstra.edu>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII> MIME- Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 5
> > I don't recall if anyone has posted about this already, but there is a>
   swap meet this coming Sunday the 25th in Palmer, Mass. Below is a link> wi th information. There will, I think, be a cyclocross ract taking> place at the same venue.> > http://www.bikereg.com/events/register.asp?eventid=546 5> > Edward Albert> Chappaqua, NY, USA> ------------------------------> > D ate: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:03:42 -0500> From: "aldoross4" <aldoross4@siscom.n et>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Black Friday> Message -ID: <4746ebce.3b1.2c50.1393488253@siscom.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; c harset="iso-8859-1"> MIME-Version: 1.0> Precedence: list> Reply-To: aldor oss4@siscom.net> Message: 6> > Black Friday. Another cold, damp day> Warm i n my office for eight or ten> Watching the empty gray street> As freezing r ain taps the windowpane> > The key to warm hands is maintaining warm arms> So the blood isn't chilled along the way> Two narrow radiators, wrapped in layers of wool> I stay keenly aware of the temperature variations inside> >
   Feet are my Achilles' heal> It's always tricky maintaining the correct env ironment> Leg warmers, tights, multiple socks, shoe covers> In winter legs and feet have their own massive wardrobe> > Too much coverage, the feet wil l sweat, then chill> Too little, and they'll quickly freeze> And no power i n Heaven or Earth will warm them again> Save for a hot soak in the tub> > A
   strong wind from the North-West> Blows the sleet nearly horizontal> The ki nd of wind which drives the ice> Through gaps between neck and collar, slee ve and glove> > In such a wind the eyeballs will chill> You can feel the co ld when you blink> The tip of your nose will collect ice> While your mouth becomes fourth-pint sluggish> > It's an dangerous environment, riding on a day like today> The weather behaves like a predator> So cold, so wet, so vu lnerable and exposed...> > God, I wish I didn't have to work today!> > Aldo
   Ross> Middletown, Ohio> USA> > > ------------------------------> > Date: F ri, 23 Nov 2007 11:35:09 -0500> From: "Dr. Paul Williams" <castell5@sympati co.ca>> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: [CR]Needed copy of L es Bowerman's paper on British Time-trialling> Message-ID: <037c01c82dee$d0 3d6510$0300a8c0@ourlaptop>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"
> MIME-Version: 1.0> Precedence: list> Message: 7> > Hi Folks,> > I am doin g a little academic research and need to find a copy of Les > Bowerman's pa per: "The Evolution of Time-Trialling in Britain: A > Peculiarly British Fo rm of Cycle Racing" from Cycle History 13 - the > Proceedings ofthe 13th In ternational Cycling History Conference, > Muenster, Germany 2002.> > If any
   listmember has a copy of this paper I would appreciate a scanned > copy pl ease.> > Thanks,> > Paul Williams,> Ottawa, ON, Canada> > --- StripMime Rep ort -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text bo dy -- kept)> text/html> ---> ------------------------------> > Date: Fri, 2 3 Nov 2007 09:50:26 -0800 (PST)> From: bruce thomson <masi3v4me@yahoo.com>>
   To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]> Fork steerer length and
   headset stack? A fit or a mathematical conundrum?> Message-ID: <252262.852 16.qm@web51602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso -8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit> Precedence: li st> Reply-To: rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com> Message: 8> > Listers I have a m athematical delema to solve. I have a nice frame but have been seeking the appropriate fork for the frame. I have purchased a short fork and have pric ed out the work of having it lengthened, but there may be an opportunity fo r an original in the proper size.> The bike in question is a 57cm c2c frame
   with the head tube being 155 in length without the headset cups. I intend to install a Nuovo Record steel road headset. The offered fork has 183 mm o f steerer tube. Now what is the best way to mathematically determine if thi s will fit the said fork on my frame??? Bruce> > > Bruce Thomson Spokane WA
   99204 > (509) 747 4314 > Masi3v4me@yahoo.com rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com>
> > > > > ---------------------------------> Be a better sports nut! Let yo ur teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.> > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body - - kept)> text/html> ---> ------------------------------> > Date: Fri, 23 No v 2007 09:57:57 -0800 (PST)> From: bruce thomson <masi3v4me@yahoo.com>> To:
   Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Picture of the Day, missing i n action?> Message-ID: <948920.26850.qm@web51607.mail.re2.yahoo.com>> Conte nt-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Trans fer-Encoding: 8bit> Precedence: list> Reply-To: rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com
> Message: 9> > I think it was Aldo Ross that posted the Pic of the Day eac h and every day. I miss this little bit of cycling history. If he could col lect those photographs in an archive there would be enough meat for a book.
   It would even be good on its own web page. Did this stop for a reason or j ust died of its own accord? Bruce> > > Bruce Thomson Spokane WA 99204 > (50 9) 747 4314 > Masi3v4me@yahoo.com rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com> > > > > > -- -------------------------------> Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with fri ends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.> > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME
   parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/htm l> ---> ------------------------------> > Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 06:58:10 + 1300> From: Wayne Davidson <wayne.collect@xtra.co.nz>> To: rapidfire10ring@ hotmail.com> Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR] Fork ste erer length and headset stack? A fit or a> mathematical conundrum?> Message -ID: <474714B2.7000504@xtra.co.nz>> In-Reply-To: <252262.85216.qm@web51602. mail.re2.yahoo.com>> References: <252262.85216.qm@web51602.mail.re2.yahoo.c om>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> MIME- Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 1 0> > Hi Bruce, your stack height is 28mm,> > Stack height.> (Nuovo) Record Strada (road) is 39.1 mm.> Super Record road is taller at 42.2 mm.> Record and Super Record Pista (track), Gran Sport, are all 33.7 mm.> > So as you c an see from the dimensions you are out of luck to fit any > Campagnolo, you
   will need a steerer of 194 to fit a NR headset, and 197 > to fit a SR head set, best of luck, been there done that wayne davidson > invers NZ......... ...> > > bruce thomson wrote:> > Listers I have a mathematical delema to so lve. I have a nice frame but have been seeking the appropriate fork for the
   frame. I have purchased a short fork and have priced out the work of havin g it lengthened, but there may be an opportunity for an original in the pro per size.> > The bike in question is a 57cm c2c frame with the head tube be ing 155 in length without the headset cups. I intend to install a Nuovo Rec ord steel road headset. The offered fork has 183 mm of steerer tube. Now wh at is the best way to mathematically determine if this will fit the said fo rk on my frame??? Bruce> >> >> > Bruce Thomson Spokane WA 99204 > > (509) 7 47 4314 > > Masi3v4me@yahoo.com rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com> > > >> >> > >
> ------------------------------> > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:07:22 -0800 ( PST)> From: bruce thomson <masi3v4me@yahoo.com>> To: Stronglight49@aol.com,
   classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR] fixie thing has gone too
   far! > Message-ID: <142298.94579.qm@web51603.mail.re2.yahoo.com>> In-Reply -To: <c0e.1b748cec.3476ed49@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=i so-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit> Precedence: list> Reply-To: rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com> Message: 11> > Just remember w hat the "fixie" crowd produces: Scrap metal and great practice for emergenc y medical technicians. BT> > Stronglight49@aol.com wrote: Well, with the po wder coat the bike won't get too scratched...> when it throws him on his he ad. > > Nothing quite like: > > 1.) a low road bike bottom bracket > 2.) lo ng crank arms> 3.) a fixed gear> 4.) a wide road pedal> 5.) a cocky first t ime fixie rider> > all entering a fast un-banked turn... to spell imminent disaster.> > I see a painful learning curve on someone's horizon.> A long f all from a tall bike. > I like it :-)> > > BOB HANSON, ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEX ICO, USA> > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's lis t of 2007's hottest > products.> (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products -2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)> _______________________________________ ________> Classicrendezvous mailing list> Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> h ttp://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous> > > > Bruce Thom son Spokane WA 99204 > (509) 747 4314 > Masi3v4me@yahoo.com rapidfire10ring @hotmail.com> > > > > > ---------------------------------> Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.> > --- StripMim e Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (te xt body -- kept)> text/html> ---> ------------------------------> > Date: F ri, 23 Nov 2007 18:07:43 +0000> From: bhufford3@mchsi.com (Bob Hufford)> To : Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Picture of the Day, missing in action?> Message-ID: <112320071807.29394.474716EE000AE516000072D22197913 36303010CD2079C080C03BFCC0B9D0100009A080D@mchsi.com>> Precedence: list> Mes sage: 12> > bruce thomson <masi3v4me(AT)yahoo.com> wrote:> > > I think it w as Aldo Ross that posted the Pic of the Day each and > > every day. I miss this little bit of cycling history. If he could > > collect those photograp hs in an archive there would be enough meat for > > a book. It would even b e good on its own web page.> > Well, there is a web page:> > http://www.woo ljersey.com/gallery/v/aldoross/pd/> > Bob Hufford> Springfield, MO> ------- -----------------------> > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:12:52 -0500> From: dev otion finesse <devotion_finesse@hotmail.com>> To: <rapidfire10ring@hotmail. com>, <stronglight49@aol.com>,> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: RE: [CR] fixie thing has gone too far!> Message-ID: <BLU122-W87A2C1B9F6F3D1 DFA8ED9F57A0@phx.gbl>> In-Reply-To: <142298.94579.qm@web51603.mail.re2.yaho o.com>> References: <c0e.1b748cec.3476ed49@aol.com>> <142298.94579.qm@web51 603.mail.re2.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> MIME-Version: 1.0> Precedence: list> Message: 13> > > >From time to time, i t also produces a few dedicated vintage bicycle enthusi> asts. If it wasn't
   for the messengers that I saw on vintage steel in the s> treets of NYC ten
   years ago, I might not have purchased that first Somec tr> ack bike and fo und my way to Classic Rendezvous.> > Matthew "rather see old steel on the r oad than hanging in your living room"> Bowne> Brooklyn, New York> > > > > >
   ----------------------------------------> > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:07:2 2 -0800> > From: masi3v4me@yahoo.com> > Subject: RE: [CR] fixie thing has g one too far! > > To: Stronglight49@aol.com; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
   > > > Just remember what the "fixie" crowd produces: Scrap metal and great
   pra> ctice for emergency medical technicians. BT> > > > Stronglight49@aol. com wrote: Well, with the powder coat the bike won't ge> t too scratched...
> > when it throws him on his head. > > > > Nothing quite like: > > > > 1.)
   a low road bike bottom bracket > > 2.) long crank arms> > 3.) a fixed gear
> > 4.) a wide road pedal> > 5.) a cocky first time fixie rider> > > > all entering a fast un-banked turn... to spell imminent disaster.> > > > I see a painful learning curve on someone's horizon.> > A long fall from a tall b ike. > > I like it :-)> > > > > > BOB HANSON, ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO, USA>
   > > > > > > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's li st of 2007's hott> est > > products.> > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-p roducts-2007?NCID=aoltop000300000000> 01)> > ____________________________ ___________________> > Classicrendezvous mailing list> > Classicrendezvous@ bikelist.org> > http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous>
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   Pergolizzi rented a condo in San Deigo for the > Winter and one of his nei ghbors noticed his bikes. The guy turns out > to be Paul Durdalleur."> > We ll, not .......exactly. Here's the whole story:> > Back in "ought three", S ally and I decided to spend the winter> in San Diego; just to get away from
   the cold of New York City. On a> preliminary reconnaissance trip in Octobe r, we found a building that> looked good. It was a Sunday and there was no one around and only a> number on a "for rent" sign. > We were leaving early
   the next day, so I called upon our return to New> York and made arrangemen ts to rent an apartment for about three months;> from January to early Apri l of the next year. > The key arrived in the mail and soon enough it was ti me to get> away from the coming frigid cold. It was a late arriving flight and by> the time we got to the building in La Jolla it must have been close
   to> midnight. I slipped the key into the lock, turned the knob, and was> g reeted by THE WORST stench of mold ya might ever imagine! Agh no! The> maid
   had changed the sheets and towels, but the joint must have been> closed fo r weeks, at least. It was bad. We opened all the windows and> made the best
   of it for the night. Next day we went in search of a> better joint.> A few
   blocks away we found a better apartment, with a bit of a> view of the ocea n (this all sounds tough, doesn't it? ), went back to> joint #1, and loaded
   our bags and put our bikes (still boxed) on to two> shopping center carts and pushed our way through La Jolla. To get the> full impact, ya gotta unde rstand this is a kinda fancy schmancy area,> palm trees, on the ocean, a bi t a high zoot factor. Hoiyty toity. And> now we're the local bum couple rol ling through town with all of our> worldly belongings in carts! Cool!> Anyw ayz, we move the stuff into the apartment up two flights of> stairs and all
   is well with the world. > Late afternoon, I go down to throw out some pack ing and I see> the handyman. I ask "Mark" if he has a yellow pages so that we could> see what's where. I notice that there is a kinda scraggly looking
   fella> hanging out in the patio area located between the two buildings of the> property. I ask, and Handy man Mark reply's "nope", he doesn't have a>
   yellow pages; can't help. O.K.> An hour or so later, I go back down to thr ow out more stuff, and> who do I see approaching from the opposite stairs? Yep, the scraggly> looking guy. And..... he's carrying a yellow pages in hi s hand.> "Scraggly" see's me and say's "Hi, I was just coming to look for y ou."> Ahhh,.... o.k., the guys a bum .....and he likes guys. Be careful her e> Johnny.> Scraggly goes on to explain how he had over heard my request to
> handy man Mark for a phone book, and how he, Scraggly, and his wife,> liv e in the opposit building of the complex. And they have a yellow> pages tha t I was more then welcome to. He introduces himself.... Peter> Durdaller. P eter DURDALLER! Hummm.....my gears start churning! How> many a these Durdal ler's could ther be?> Well, stick with me on this: about a year before this
> encounter, a good buddy a mine, "The Beast", happened to strike up a> con versation with another train passenger while riding the Long Island> Rail R oad to work one evening. Beast is a former National class bicycle> racer an d is now a baker. Beast works at night so everyone in Hewlett,> Long Island
   can have fresh bread the next day.> Turns out that the other passenger is also a former bicycle> racer and has a nice black Frejus road bike from the
   old days and he> might be interested in selling her.> Can youse see where all this is leading?> Of course The Beast tells me, gives me the guys numbe r, and> appropriate arrangements were made. I contact the guy, take the tra in> out to Long Island and see the bike. She is a nice 21 inch or so 1960's
> Frejus Campionato del Mondo, top o de line!> The fella introduces himself
   to me; he's Paul Durdaller. The> bike had been won years ago in some race.
   And he, his brother and his> sister had all used it. A price was agreed up on and I went home with> her. Even rode her from Penn Station about a mile back home in mid town> Manhattan! > Little black Frejus was destined, ever since I first heard of> her existence, for the clutches of "Frejus John". T his guy is the black> hole of the mark from Torino, Italy ; he buys um ALL,
   but NEVER sells a> thing. A good profit was banked and all was right with the World again.> Fast forward a year later: > > Remember the guys with the
   yellow pages now standing in front of> me, Peter ? I realize this has GOTT A be Long Island Paul Durdaller's> brother. It's just gotta be. BUT, rather
   that state the obvious, I> decided to have some fun. > So, I says " So, ah h..., tell me,...ahh...., that little black> Frejus Road Bike,....ahhh,... was that your's, your brothers or your> sister's?" > Peter's head starts to
   tilt a bit sideways, kinda like a German> Shepard's when the dog hears wha t we can't. Peter's eyes then narrow to> a sharp squint and his ears perk u p. What is he getting ready for a> sprint?> Well, to keep a long story shor t (HA!), Peter and his wife Shira> are here in San Diego and his mom, JoAnn
   ( who terrorized many a rider)> is in Florida. Say hello to her for me.> >
   John T.Pergolizzi> La Jolla> > I can't make this stuff up, it's way too co mplicated.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------- ---------------> > _______________________________________________> Classic rendezvous mailing list> Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> http://www.bikelis t.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous> > > End of Classicrendezvous Dige st, Vol 59, Issue 83> *************************************************