So it also follows that to know the "correct" number of cyclists involved in accidents at intersections( the most dangerous situation), we need to know how many were trying to cross with the light,how many against the light, how many doing right turns, how many left turns, et, etc, There are liars, damn liars, and statisticians. You do make a good point about the fallibility of summary statistics. (used up my last daily post) Art Link,San Antonio,TX,USA hersefan@comcast.net wrote: From: hersefan@comcast.net To: artlink@columnssanantonio.com, classic rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> CC: Art Link <artlink@columnssanantonio.com> Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: [CR]accidents on roads - wrong interpretation! Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:18:59 +0000
No,
To know the probability, you need to know the number that ride the correct way, and the number that ride the wrong way. Then you can calculate the likelihood of an accident based on each behavior. Your conclusion does not follow from the data presented.
Mike Kone in Boulder CO
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Art Link <artlink@columnssanantonio.com>
> YES,YES,YES!The statistics may be incomplete,but of ALL accidents involving cars
> 14% were riding with traffic,8% against traffic. It is therefore 75% more likely
> that you may be hit by a car if you are legal and riding with traffic. Aren't
> statistics fun! Art Link,San Antonio,TX,USA
>
> hersefan@comcast.net wrote: From: hersefan@comcast.net
> To: artlink@columnssanantonio.com, classic rendezvous
>
> CC: Art Link
> Subject: Re: Fwd: [CR]accidents on roads - wrong interpretation!
> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:45:18 +0000
>
> No! No! No!
>
> The statistics do not imply that it is safer to ride against trafic.
>
> Since the vast majority of riders ride with traffic, it means that a shockingly
> high number of the wrong-way folks were involved in the accidents that did
> occur!
>
> Mike Kone in Boulder CO
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Art Link
>
> > So riding against traffic is much safer than riding with the flow.Not legal in
> > texas but I'll take my chances with the cops rather than losing my other eye
> in
> > another bike accident.Thanks for the info. Art Link,San Antonio.TX,USA" 1%
> live
> > to ride and ride to live"
> >
> > John Redman wrote: From: "John Redman"
> >
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 05:48:31 +0800
> > Subject: [CR]accidents on roads
> >
> > A friend (Larry English) here in Atlanta just sent this to me.
> >
> > John Redman
> > Hapeville, Ga
> >
> > Reasons for Wrecks
> >
> >
> >
> > Bob Mionske is a two-time U.S. Olympic cycl ing team member (4th in the 1988
> > road race) who now specializes in bicycle law in Portland, Oregon. He writes
> > the "Legally Speaking" column for velonews.com, has a book called "Bicycling
> > and the Law," and runs a website at http://www.bicyclelaw.com. In short, he
> > 's
> > an expert on cyclists' rights and how laws affect them.
> >
> >
> >
> > His legal work also makes Mionske, 45, savvy about crashes. According to his
> > research, there are about 500,000 cycling accidents each year that
> > result in an
> > emergency room visit. Here's how they happen (numbers are rounded):
> >
> >
> >
&g t; > ---59% involve no object or other person
> >
> > ---14% involve a fixed object
> >
> > ---11% involve a moving motor vehicle
> >
> > ---9% involve another bicycle
> >
> > ---3% involve an animal
> >
> > ---3% involve a pedestrian
> >
> > ---1% i nvolve a stationary motor vehicle
> >
> > ---1% other
> >
> >
> >
> > Considering only accidents involving a moving motor vehicle (11%),
> > here's where
> > they happen:
> >
> >
> >
> > ---45% in an intersection
> >
> > ---25% entering a roadway
> >
> > ---14% riding with flow of traffic
> >
> > ---8% riding against traffic
> >
> > ---9% other
> >
> >
> >
> > The lessons are obv ious: Never stop working on your bike-handling skills,
> > and
> > be extra cautious where there can be cross traffic -- in intersections or w
> > hen
> > riding onto busier roads.
> >
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