[CR]Re: Re: time trial frames

(Example: Framebuilders:Dario Pegoretti)

From: "Peter Weigle" <jpweigle@sbcglobal.net>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <MONKEYFOODaOqlOQq2v00003c13@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org>
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:17:41 -0500
reply-type=original
Subject: [CR]Re: Re: time trial frames

Scott, Two of my classic TT bikes have been shown at Le Cirque.

The early 70's version was shown just last year. It was patterned after some of the bikes I raced against while I was serving my apprenticeship over in England back in '73. It has many of the features of the bikes of that period, short top tube, long(14cm)!! stem,,,, gets more weight over the front we to even out weight distribution. Indented seat tube to shorten the wheelbase. 24 hole high flange wheels,drilled everything which isn't very aero, but could be considered "war paint", and it lightens up the bike a bit, clean white paint scheme, etc, etc. I have to say I was very taken with the beauty, simplicity and cleanlyness of the gleaming bikes over there. I tried to capture that spirit in the machine I built for myself.

Alan Bernstein showed a later compact early 80's bike I built at Le C. about 2-3 years ago, I believe Dale has a photo of it in some of his shots from the show floor. I will see if I can find it.

I will take a few shots of the 70's machine and put them up on flicker in the next couple of days. I will forward the link then.


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> 4. Re: ebay elliptical chainring (Mark Stonich)
> 5. RE: mystery lightweight bike (Joel Niemi)
> 6. "Mystery" lightweight (Mark Fulton)
> 7. "Mystery" lightweight on eBay
> 8. re: Bianchi Tour De France on e-bay (John Barron)
> 9. Re: Pedale or Pedali Alpini? (Steven L. Sheffield)
> 10. Bianchi Tour de France on eBay
> 11. E-Bay Outing '40s Legnano in supposedly very original condition
> (Tom Sanders)
> 12. 1978 Masi Prestige on eBay item 270192767871
> 13. "Ebay" spam (David Bean)
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> 15. Re: time trial frames (Scott Loveless)
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> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:24:36 -0600
> From: "Longleaf Bicycles" <longleafbicycles@gmail.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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> Hello,
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> A quick hello as recommended by the list instructions. My name is Anthony
> King, I presently live in Irving, Texas but will be moving to Wilmington,
> North Carolina before Christmas. I used to own Trinity Bicycles, which I
> started in 2006, and will start another business in Wilmington. Though I
> don't deal in vintage I believe I deal with a lot of what would be
> considered KOF bikes and parts As I am a young'un (I was six when the CR
> cut-off date rolled around) I'm not extremely knowledgeable about the
> vintage realm. I hope to hang around, ask dumb questions, etc.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> --
> longleafbicycles.com
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:24:55 -0800
> From: Jan Heine <heine94@earthlink.net>
> To: devotion finesse <devotion_finesse@hotmail.com>,
> "Marc St. Martin" <marc.stmartin@earthlink.net>,
> <stronglight49@aol.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR] Pedale or Pedali Alpini?
> Message-ID: <a06230920c37a90e30271@[192.168.1.33]>
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> At 9:56 PM -0500 12/3/07, devotion finesse wrote:
>>And speaking of great old California club jerseys...
>>I just got my grubby lil' mits on an orange and black long sleeve "Velo
>>Spo
>>rt Berkeley" wool jersey (with front and rear pockets!) from none other
>>tha
>>n Pete Rich himself!
>>He was a VERY friendly and generous fellow and I am thrilled that he was
>>at
>> his shop when I popped in last Friday. Although I only spent a few
>> minute
>>s in the shop, I heard some great tales. It would be great to get him
>>eith
>>er down to Velo Rendezvous or way out east for the next Cirque.
>
> David Feldman interviewed Peter Rich at length. The interview was
> published in Bicycle Quarterly Vol. 4, No. 4. Great stories indeed,
> of a time when cycling and especially bike racing was in danger of
> becoming extinct in the U.S.
>
> Jan Heine
> Editor
> Bicycle Quarterly
> 140 Lakeside Ave #C
> Seattle WA 98122
> http://www.bikequarterly.com
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:30:22 -0500
> From: Michael Allison <cyclo_one@verizon.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Cc: stronglight49@aol.com
> Subject: RE: [CR] Pedale or Pedali Alpini?
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>
>
> In the early 1960s, I raced against a guy named Michael Hiltner from
> PEDALI ALPINI. An awesome rider, I think, from Palo Alto, CA. His big
> gear, low, stretched-out style (read long extension) of riding was a
> revelation to me and my mates. I recall he won Somerville in 1963 (??)
> Race historians-?? He simply rode away from everyone. Somewhere along,
> he changed his name to Victorio Victoria, grew a big beard and
> generally became a recluse.
>
> Michael Allison
> New York, NY
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:33:31 -0600
> From: Mark Stonich <mark@bikesmithdesign.com>
> To: "Howard Darr" <hdarr@localnet.com>
> Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]ebay elliptical chainring
> Message-ID: <E1IzQQN-0001sr-Hy@elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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> At 12/3/2007 11:46 PM -0500, Howard Darr wrote:
>
>>No relation to seller just interesting
>>
>>Someone probably needs that for their too cool fixed gear.
>
> I'm guessing the chain would go too slack at times for a fixed gear.
>
>>I am curious about all the holes.
>
> Most likely the 2 holes at 180 degrees were for mounting an Al plate
> to a fixture for CNC machining. Probably just a steel bar or plate
> that was clamped into a vice in a CNC Milling station.
>
> I'm a fan of BioPace and Q-Rings, but IMHO the Durhams were too
> radical for anything but pedal watercraft.
>
>>http://ebay.com/<blah>
>>799505QQihZ012QQcategoryZ56197QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Mark Stonich;
> BikeSmith Design & Fabrication
> 5349 Elliot Ave S. - Minneapolis. MN 55417
> Ph. (612) 824-2372 http://bikesmithdesign.com
> http://mnhpva.org
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:45:12 -0800
> From: Joel Niemi <bberryacres@hotmail.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]RE: mystery lightweight bike
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>
> Well, it's not orange like my Stella, but --
>
> I think the same person must have filed the lugs on this one, as filed the
> lugs on my bike -- similar "skips" in the filing. Maybe he had to take a
> c
> afe-au-lait break, and forgot where he left off.
>
> And, the "swallowtail" stays at the rear dropouts are very similar.
>
> Joel Niemi
> Snohomish (almost underwater) Washington, USA
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> ------------------------------
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> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:34:23 -0800
> From: Mark Fulton <markfulton5@mac.com>
> To: Classic Rendezvous <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]"Mystery" lightweight
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> Please allow me to add to the mystery. The seat stays on my Limongi
> track frame wrap over almost exactly like those on the "Mystery"
> lightweight. But they don't meet. There's a 3/8" gap at the points.
> The underlying lugs appear nearly identical to those on the "Mystery"
> as best as I can tell with the seat post lever in the photo blocking
> the lower part. The Limongi chain stay where they attach to the track
> ends are "swallow tail." The seat stay bottom ends are not. They're
> chopped at a 45-degree angle parallel to the axle slot. Remember,
> Pepe Limongi was French.
>
> Mark Fulton
> Redwood City
> California
>
> PS: Super Vitus forks had swallow tails where the legs attached to
> the ends. Some did anyway. I don't know what that has to do with
> anything. Just sayin' as Chuck would say.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:57:48 EST
> From: Carb7008@cs.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]"Mystery" lightweight on eBay
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> In common with my (full Campy NR) Stella are chromed lugs, wrap'round
> stays,
> and "swallow-tail" end treatments. Differences include: Mystery has TT
> cable
> guides, different (style?) lugs, chromed socks (my Stell has only DOs),
> smaller seatpost, and according to pic, very long chainstays. Also, all
> 70's
> Stellas I've run across had more elaborate/better than avg paint but not
> Mystery.
> Stella good guess but seeing side-by-side I'd say some other french/swiss
> (sport-tourer). Hope seller posts BB thread to at least confirm french.
>
> Jack Romans
> Sacramento, Calif.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 05:16:40 -0600
> From: "John Barron" <jb@velostuf.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: re: [CR]Bianchi Tour De France on e-bay
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> I think that the bike is cool in a lot of ways. But my preference in the
> last few years
> has moved towards bikes that are either all original, with all the
> original
> scratches,
> or, all re-done, with fresh everything.
> http://www.velostuf.com/velostufgallerybikes+frames.htm
> This bike has an odd mix of fresh thick, glossy
> paint + decals and aged/patina'd parts. Not to my liking.
>
> John Barron
> Minneapolis
>
> Jay Sexton wrote:
>
> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:19:45 -0800
> From: Jay S <jvs@sonic.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Bianchi Tour De France on e-bay
> Message: 9
>
> Will you Bianchi experts comment on this Bianchi on e-bay?
> http://tinyurl.com/2j8kqa http://tinyurl.com/2j8kqa
> Good, bad, ugly, beautiful, value, etc.
> Thank you!
> Jay Sexton
> Sebastopol, CA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 05:11:12 -0700
> From: "Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com>
> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Pedale or Pedali Alpini?
> Message-ID: <C37A91F0.68F1A%stevens@veloworks.com>
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> On 12/03/2007 10:30 PM, "Michael Allison" <cyclo_one@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> In the early 1960s, I raced against a guy named Michael Hiltner from
>> PEDALI ALPINI. An awesome rider, I think, from Palo Alto, CA. His big
>> gear, low, stretched-out style (read long extension) of riding was a
>> revelation to me and my mates. I recall he won Somerville in 1963 (??)
>> Race historians-?? He simply rode away from everyone. Somewhere along,
>> he changed his name to Victorio Victoria, grew a big beard and
>> generally became a recluse.
>
>
> "Victor Vincente of America" ...
>
> And as a mountain bike race promoter from 1980-1995 and designer of the
> 1996
> Olympic mountain bike gold medal design, I'm not sure that "recluse" is
> the
> right word.
>
> His website is http://www.vva2020.com/
>
> --
> Steven L. Sheffield
> stevens at veloworks dot com
> bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
> ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
> aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
> double-yew double-ewe dot flahute dot com [foreword] slash
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:44:59 -0500
> From: marcus.e.helman@gm.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Bianchi Tour de France on eBay
> Message-ID:
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>
> Cool bike, although older than I like personally. I look at bikes like
> that and think about how hard it would be to find parts. I would not ride
> such a bike if I owned it, and I only want to own bikes that I will ride.
>
> I think the repaint is kind of thick. I like the red tape under some of
> the clamped on parts, but I wonder why it's not under all of them. I
> think it would have looked more consistent.
>
> Best regards,
> Marcus Helman
> Detroit, MI 48265
>
>
>
> Jay Sexton wrote:
>
> Will you Bianchi experts comment on this Bianchi on e-bay?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2j8kqa
>
> Good, bad, ugly, beautiful, value, etc.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Jay Sexton
> Sebastopol, CA
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:59:17 -0500
> From: "Tom Sanders" <tsan7759142@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]E-Bay Outing '40s Legnano in supposedly very original
> condition
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> If this bike is as nice as it looks, the Buy it Now seems like a steal.
> How often do you see a '40s bike with the rare Margherita set up and nice
> original paint, decals and fenders? Very attractive to my admittedly too
> easily impressed eyes.
>
> If I were into early Italian bikes, This would be already bought and paid
> for.
>
> E-Bay item # 260189796091
>
> Tom Sanders
>
> Lansing, MI USA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:16:41 -0500
> From: marcus.e.helman@gm.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]1978 Masi Prestige on eBay item 270192767871
> Message-ID:
> <OF530283EA.B54FECCD-ON852573A7.004E26B7-852573A7.004E6E8E@gm.com>
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> Masi Prestige 1978 56 cm with Campagnolo 1st Gen SR Item number:
> 270192767871
>
> Is this the same bike Charles Andrews sold a while ago?
>
> Best regards,
> Marcus Helman
> Detroit, MI 48265
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:18:25 -0500
> From: "David Bean" <beandk@rcn.com>
> To: "CR List (E-mail)" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]"Ebay" spam
> Message-ID: <001201c836aa$721ef1f0$6d7ba8c0@dkbwin2k>
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>
> Has anyone else been getting a lot of "Ebay unpaid item" phishing messages
> today? (Plz reply off-list. This post will tell anyone else with the
> same
> Q that it's going on.)
>
> David Bean
> Arlington, MA
> beandk at are-see-enn dot com
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:28:35 +0000
> From: Sarah Gibson <sadiejane9@hotmail.com>
> To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]bicycle business cards
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>
> for some yrs now
> ive been collecting bicycle related business cards
> have aquired a pretty cool collection
> and have mulitiples of many
> anyone out there also collect these bits o paper?
> anyone have spares of long gone
> or otherwise
> bicycle shops they
> be into trading ?
> other countries also acceptable
> gab conrad and i
> used to trade em all the time
> and customers sometimes bring them back from trips
> hope to hear from some of you
> offlist would be fine
> thanks
> peace
> ** __@ ** = \<._ *** (_)/ (_) well behaved women rarely make history_ride
> yr friggin bicycle_
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:32:48 -0500
> From: "Scott Loveless" <sdloveless@gmail.com>
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Re: time trial frames
> Message-ID: <2c44384d0712040632s1b530f7eq8352aed7320fcdf2@mail.gmail.com>
> In-Reply-To: <2c44384d0712010858n25b3f9a5qed47ecf778454e67@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Thanks so much for all the responses (on and off list). I received
> quite a few suggestions about where to look, such as bike like
> Carpenter, Armstrong or E.G.Bates. A couple of our British friends
> had some absolutely wonderful first hand information. I think I read
> every word about Alf Engers I could find. Good stuff. Much
> appreciated.
>
> It seems that modern time trialists prefer very small frames with very
> long seat posts. I suppose this puts the rider in a very low,
> aerodynamic position. Was this very common 30 or 40 years ago?
>
> Thanks!
>
> On 12/1/07, Scott Loveless <sdloveless@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey, gang.
>>
>> I was wondering if some of you could point me to some information
>> about on-topic time trial bikes. Most of what I'm finding is a bit
>> too modern. I've found a little about time trialling in England, but
>> precious little information about the bicycles specifically.
>>
>> What I'm really interested in are bicycles that would have been, or
>> are, appropriate for medium gear (72 gear inches) "fixed wheel" time
>> trials - geometry, components, etc. However, any on-topic time trial
>> information would be most appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks a bunch.
>>
>> --
>> Scott Loveless
>> New Cumberland, Pennsylvania, USA
>> http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/
>>
>
>
> --
> Scott Loveless
> New Cumberland, Pennsylvania, USA
> http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:39:14 EST
> From: Crumpy6204@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]
> Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 60, Issue 15 Rust remover Quick-Glo
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> I have used Quik-Glo with good results on old Brit parts rusty chrome rims
> and hubs, easy to use. BUT I just finished my last tub and can NOT find
> any
> more anywhere. Does anyone have a lead on this stuff? Cheers John Crump
> OldandrustyBrit. Parker. Co USA
>
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>
> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:47:09 -0500
> From: "Wayne Bingham" <blkmktbks@gmail.com>
> To: marcus.e.helman@gm.com
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]1978 Masi Prestige on eBay item 270192767871
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> This is the same bike. It was built-up and sold out of a shop in
> Colorado in '77, I believe. I bought it from the original owner, but
> it was missing a few of the original bits and had been used
> (mimimally) on a trainer, then sat collecting dust. I restored it,
> rode it a grand total of two times, and sold it to Charles Andrews,
> who subsequently sold it some time later. I would classify the bike
> as about 90/95% original. The large chainring is a later version that
> I added (someone had put a 46t ring on it). The saddle is also not
> original to the bike, but is appropriate. A few other small bits we
> also added by me in the restoration. Actually, I should qualify that
> the "restoration" needed was pretty minimal. The bike does have a
> complete S-Rec 1st generation group, not reduced, so it has the
> hollow-spindle Ti bb and Ti pedal axels (unless, of course, things
> have been changed since I had the bike). I believe the frame is a '76
> model, not '78, but can't be sure. Still a very nice bike, in my
> opinion.
>
> Wayne Bingham
> Lovettsville VA USA
>
> On Dec 4, 2007 9:16 AM, <marcus.e.helman@gm.com> wrote:
>> Masi Prestige 1978 56 cm with Campagnolo 1st Gen SR Item number:
>> 270192767871
>>
>> Is this the same bike Charles Andrews sold a while ago?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Marcus Helman
>> Detroit, MI 48265
>>
>>
>>
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