Kurt,
Realizing that your contribution regarding a Jubilee braze-on front derailleur that recently appeared on eBay and which also happened to have a "2082" stamping was decidedly non-judgmental in drawing any specific conclusions, I feel compelled to provide a bit of context for those who may at some future point in time revisit this thread only to quite possibly extrapolate their own meaning or call into question that which they should not. Please do not take this as some sort of personal rebuttal, as that is not my intent.
While it may at first take seem a bit odd that both Harvey's Challenger II braze-on front derailleur and the eBay Jubilee example cited both have a date code of 2082 (...as I stated in my earlier post, indicating that these components were manufactured on the twentieth week of the year 1982), the coincidence is indeed just that - a mere coincidence. NO ONE should harbor the false notion that this numeric reference is anything other than a date code, and most certainly they should not draw the erroneous conclusion that it might possibly be a part number.
First of all, I would like to state that at no point in time did Huret use the same part number for their Challenger II and Jubilee front derailleurs - in fact, it would not have made any sense for them to have done so inasmuch as those two units were decidedly different from one another. Should one be so inclined as to seek absolute proof of my assertion, I suggest that they take the time to carefully review those Huret catalogs I have posted to WoolJersey and which may be found using this convenient link:
http://www.wooljersey.com/
In addition to the material already posted online, I also have copies of the 1967, 1969, 1975, 1979, 1981, and 1984 Huret and/or Sachs Huret catalogs, the contents of which merely corroborate this point (...and yes, I will eventually get around to digitizing this additional literature).
Secondly, I invite anyone out there who happens to have a 1970's or 1980's vintage Huret / Sachs Huret front or rear derailleur to carefully inspect same for exactly this type of date stamp. Most models do indeed have such a marking and in ALL instances it takes the form of a two digit "week" and two digit "year" numeric reference juxtaposed with one another (...check it out - this can be fun, it's just like looking at the top of your Campy Nuovo or Super Record rear derailleur for provenance as to its relative vintage). For those who may yet still be "unbelievers", you are again invited to correlate this "mystery code" to the respective part numbers of the components in question as found in any of the official catalogs (...oops, there is no correlation).
And finally, for anyone who might think it incredulous that two different front derailleurs could possibly have the same date code, let me suggest that such a notion is somewhat naïve. Since the concept of a braze-on mount front derailleur really only first appeared in the marketplace with any degree of commercialization in the early 1980's, and the efficacy of mass production dictates that multiples of like kind be produced in batches, the reality is that there is BOUND to be replication of this type to some degree - and in this instance, that likelihood is greatly compounded given that Huret was inclined to produce quantities of such oddities only periodically at certain times of the year.
Robert "that's three posts for the day, so I'm done" Broderick ..the "Frozen Flatlands" of South Dakota Sioux Falls, USA
-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Sperry Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:18 PM Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Huret Front Mechs - Braze-on ?
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Here's a braze-on Jubilee FD that came up on ebay some time back. You can see in the detail shot that it too is stamped "2082".
Kurt Sperry Bellingham Washington USA
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:13 PM, R.S. Broderick <rsb000@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Without seeing any pictures to confirm my suspicion, the particular
> front
> derailleur that Harvey describes would seem likely to be a Huret
> Challenger
> II model 1050 dating from May of 1982 (...that "2082" reference cited
> would
> be a date code indicating production in the twentieth week of year
> 1982).
> Although the Huret brothers sold a majority interest of their company
to
> the
> German conglomerate Fichtel & Sachs AG back in 1980, it was not until
> the
> latter part of 1982 that their wares began to be marketed under the
> combined
> Sachs Huret logo. And while I have never personally seen a Huret
> branded
> factory original front derailleur incorporating a braze-on mounting
> attachment (...again, lacking pictures of Harvey's example which
> obviously
> does exist), I can say with absolute certainty that the Challenger II
> and
> Jubilee models of Sachs Huret labeled front derailleurs were produced
in
> both clamp-on and braze-on configurations.
>
> Robert "hip hip Huret" Broderick
> ..the "Frozen Flatlands" of South Dakota
> Sioux Falls, USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Harvey
> Sachs
> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:35 AM
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org; teaat4p@yahoo.com
> Subject: re: [CR]Huret Front Mechs - Braze-on ?
>
> Richard Cielec asked:
>
> Were Huret front mechs offered in braze-on configuration ?
> Any suggestions on converting clamp-on to braze-on ?
> My interest is of the usual suspects: Jubillee, Success, Duopar,
etc...
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> I can only answer the first question: Yes.
> Before my eyes there is a Jubilee-style, but all steel, braze-on
Huret,
> marked with a "2082," presumably a model number. Jubilee-style in
that
> a cam surface replaces one arm of the parallelogram. Fascinating also,
> in that a rather thick piece of sheet metal is variously stamped and
> bent to form a one-piece chassis, mounting the pivots, the stop
screws,
> the cam, and even the convex surface for mounting to the braze-on
> fitting. The outer plate of the cage has "Huret" in bas relieve on a
dot
>
> background at the front, and two slots with two triangular cammy
> punchouts between.
>
> One good question deserves another: anyone know what this was called,
> when it was made, etc?
>
> Richard gets first dibs, if he needs it for a project.
>
> harvey sachs
> mcLean va usa.