my waterford built w 853 and campy record weighed 18.5 lbs complete without the two water bottle cages i later added. by the way this bike is currently still being produced as well as a 953 model, stainless steel, which is probably even lighter. burl simon keeping the record straight in los angeles, california, usa on 10.21.8
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:06 PM, donald gillies <gillies@ece.ubc.ca> wrote:
> I have one datapoint, with a pair of SEKAI 4000 frames that are about
> one inch in difference and both are 1976-1978 frames, I believe.
> Unfortunately, I am missing the weight from one of them as the
> crankset is currently stuck in it. I will see if I can extract the
> crank and measure it.
>
> http://www.ece.ubc.ca/
>
> Another datapoint from that table is for a Raleigh Competition
> vs. International, 22.5 vs. 24.5, 1977 vs. 1971. The difference for 2
> inches of size is 80 grams. Braze-ons and dropouts are comparable.
> The heavier frame has a stuck-on pump umbrella. One has chromed
> nervex lugs, the other has unchromed bocama competition lugs. Your
> mileage may vary, but I think 40 grams per inch might be a good
> ceiling for a 531 8/5/8 frameset in the larger sizes.
>
> - Don (currently in Japan) Gillies
> San Diego, CA, USA
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