[CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 73, Issue 22

(Example: Framebuilding:Restoration)

Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:04:35 +0000
From: "Stuart Tallack" <stuarttallack@mac.com>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 73, Issue 22

Perhaps they are undersized, but they are cheap and so easy to replace. Shop around for the cheapest which may be a fraction of the price you pay to a motor factor or bearing specialist. When you find the right price, buy lots.

Stuart Tallack in West Sussex
>
>At 10:58 AM +1100 1/6/09, Ben Kamenjas wrote:
>>Coolio's,
>>
>>Santa brought me some Harden bacon slicer's for X-mas except he
>>didn't check the front bearings and they likely need replacing.
>>Anybody know offhand what type/size bearing I'll be asking for?
>>
>>BTW, these are 36/36 hole variants that I'll be building them up
>>with modern-ish rims. Any tips/tricks/surprises?
>
>According to the Harden article in a recent V-CC Boneshaker, you
>should keep replacement bearings on hand... The bearings were
>undersized, and Harden made more money replacing bearings than they
>did making hubs! Beautiful hubs, though. There is a great Rebour
>drawing of a set, which often is mistaken for a Maxi-Car. (Rebour
>never seems to have drawn a standard Maxi-Car.)
>
>I don't know the bearing size, but once you have them removed, it'll
>be obvious - bearings usually are spec'd by ID, OD and thickness.
>Tables are available online. Get the highest quality bearings you can
>find (SKF or similar), in the hope to get a bit more life out of them.
>
>An important "trick" is to make sure you use washers under the spoke
>heads if you use modern spokes with longer elbows (made for thicker
>hub flanges), otherwise, your spokes won't last long.
>
>Jan Heine
>Editor
>Bicycle Quarterly
>140 Lakeside Ave #C
>Seattle WA 98122
>http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com
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>Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 00:12:26 -0700
>From: Mitch Harris <mitch.harris@gmail.com>
>To: ternst <ternst1@cox.net>
>Cc: D&M Rapley <bunyips2@bigpond.net.au>
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Tying and soldering.
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>Also not familiar with the idea that a velodrome has four turns,
>always seemed to me I was going into turn one and then out of it into
>the back stretch as Ted describes.
>
>Arguably, the Ghent track has only one turn for the whole track since
>the straights are gently curved too ;-) You just keep turning and
>turning and turning and never get the feeling of being dumped out onto
>a flat like you do at many other tracks.
>
>Mitch Harris
>Little Rock Canyon, Utah, USA
>
>2009/1/5 ternst <ternst1@cox.net>:
>> OK, Gene, you in trouble now.
>> You and I raced together in the 50's and you're supposed to know this!!!
>> This is exactly what Roger Young says and he states it without argument t
>o
>> his classes as Velodrome Director at the ADT Velodrome in the Home Depot
>> athletic Center in Carson, California.
>> Roger is a multi National champion, Sister to Sheila Young, world and mul
>ti
>> national champion, and whose dad Claire Young, my dad and I raced against
>.
>> Claie was also one of Mike Walden's buddies, so all this goes into the '3
>0's
>> and still is going today!!
>> All the commentary about tied and soldered spokes, diving down the velodr
>ome
>> bankings, etc. is correct!
>> BUT, there are only TWO TURNS on a bicycle track/velodrome, PERIOD!
>> Turn one and turn two. GET IT? GOOD!!!
>>>
>>> From the starting line on the home stretch you are going INTO the first
>>
>> turn, then going OUT of the first turn into the back stretch!!!
>> Then from the back stretch you go into the SECOND turn, then you come ou
>t
>> of the SECOND turn and go into the home stretch toward the S/F line.
>> AND THAT'S IT!!!
>> If you guys and gals are going to talk track bikes, fixed gears,and track
>s,
>> then get it right.
>> You all talk to too many very knowledgeable bicycle people and I would en
>joy
>> your using the proper lingo to avoid a faux pax.
>> If you don't, I will call upon John "The Enforcer" Pergolizzi.
>> He will get the Vigorelli leg men to visit the offenders, put them in a
>> figure "8" leg twist until you cry basta!, si, si, due curva unico sopra
>la
>> pista.
>> Gene, you been scathed, but I forgive you, maybe it was a senior moment.
>> For everyone else just another nudge to help you hold your line as it wer
>e.
>> Love to nag you all, now, I'm going to watch Jeopardy!.
>> Ted Ernst
>> Palos Verdes Estates
>> CA USA
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "genediggs" <genediggs@aol.com>
>> To: "ehbusch" <ehbusch@bellsouth.net>; "Mark Fulton" <markfulton5@mac.com
>>;
>> "D&M Rapley" <bunyips2@bigpond.net.au>
>> Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CR]Tying and soldering.
>>
>>
>>> Had to put my two cents worth in on tied and soldered track wheels. I
>>> still
>>> have a set of track wheels that I built just for riding 1000 meter races
>>> bac
>>> k in the mid 1950's. They have 28 hole Scheeren wood filled rims with RH
>>> Air
>>> lite high flange hubs. TIres were Clement Seta. They were good for 200
>>> PSI.
>>> We didn't have air gauges that went that high so we flicked them with a
>>> fing
>>> er nail and listened for the right sound. Why did build wheels for just
>>> one
>>> race? For the same reason I have a set of Cane Creek Carbon Fiber wheels
>>> on
>>> my current track bike, lighter, stiffer, faster. I invite all list membe
>rs
>>> t
>>> o come to The Velodrome at Bloomer Park in Rochester Hills, Michigan and
>>> div
>>> e off of 44 degree turn four and do a flying 200. I still find it a t
>>> hrill at seventy four years old although my times are considerable slowe
>r.
>>> G
>>> ene Diggs, Rochester Hills, MI, USA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 5, 2009, at 9:59:13 AM, ehbusch <ehbusch@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> From: ehbusch <ehbusch@bellsouth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [CR]Tying and soldering.
>>> Date: January 5, 2009 9:59:13 AM GMT-05:00
>>> To: "Mark Fulton" <markfulton5@mac.com>, "D&M Rapley" <bunyips2@bigpond.
>ne
>>> t.au>
>>> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>>> I also agree with the "Diving Off the Banking Feeling" beeing the best a
>nd
>>>
>>> which took on a whole new meaning when they used to hold races at Trento
>n
>>>
>>> Speedway. Any one remember that? or been there, done that? Trenton
>>> Speedway
>>>
>>> was used to hold Indy Car Races. As I remember it had the same degree
>>> banking as T-Town but it was about three times as wide. When you went to
>>> the
>>>
>>> top of the banking there you were about four stories high..Not too many
>>> tied
>>>
>>> and soldered road wheels there...
>>>
>>> Ed Busch
>>> Vonore, Tennessee-USA
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Fulton" <markfulton5@mac.com>
>>> To: "D&M Rapley" <bunyips2@bigpond.net.au>
>>> Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [CR]Tying and soldering.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I agree with David (Rapley) when he says, "...diving off the banking is
>>>> the best bike feeling ever" with tied & soldered spokes. (G'day David.)
>>>> But that's not why I tied & soldered my spokes when I was velodrome
>>>> racing
>>>
>>>> in the late '40s and early '50s. I tied & soldered mine because all of
>>>> the
>>>
>>>> pros had theirs done, and I was really good at it. My soldering always
>>>> looked really good because I used solid bar tinned lead solder and resi
>n
>>>
>>>> flux?not acid core wire solder.
>>>>
>>>> Mark Fulton
>>>> Redwood City
>>>> California
>>>> USA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:56:09 +0000
>From: Peter Brown <peterg.brown@ntlworld.com>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Cc: kamenjas@gmail.com
>Subject: [CR]Harden cartridge bearing size?
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>Peter Underwood's article at
>http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/harden-servicing.html should give you
>all the information you need. A good bearing stockist will have charts of
>equivalents for whatever range they stock.
>
>
>
>Peter Brown, Lincolnshire, England
>
>
>
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>Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 04:33:05 -0800
>From: MARK <mhoffman0@snet.net>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Rob Stowe
>Message-ID: <935346.77820.qm@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>My buddy Bruce Miller has a lugged Stowe.? I believe Rob Stowe was a buil
>der for Georgiana Terry in the early days of Terry.
>
>Mark Hoffman
>New Britain, CT
>USA
>
>
>
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>Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:02:15 -0800
>From: MARK <mhoffman0@snet.net>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]WTB/T
>Message-ID: <793692.50352.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>I'm looking for some pulley wheels for a 60ish steel Record rear derailleur
>.? Anyone got some strays amongst their stash?
>
>Mark Hoffman
>New Britain, CT
>USA
>
>
>
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