Just a little note to say that I have put my Rotrax frame up on E-Bay (UK) If anyone is interested drop me a line
Derek Robinson
Northallerton
North Yorkshire
England
> From: classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org
> Subject: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 74, Issue 129
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:24:29 -0800
>
> Send Classicrendezvous mailing list submissions to
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> http://www.bikelist.org/
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> classicrendezvous-owner@bikelist.org
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Classicrendezvous digest..."
>
>
> CR
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Raleigh Pros, Raleigh Team on ebay #400032976224 (Jon Spangler)
> 2. Weinmann Type 500 calipers- intro date? (Richard Olson)
> 3. Does this blue Mondia (Baylis paint) look familiar?
> (Jon Spangler)
> 4. Pro Mk IV vs Mk V (SS caps) (Carb7008@cs.com)
> 5. Classic bike authentification and pissing competitions
> (nicbordeaux)
> 6. Raleigh International (Todd Grantham)
> 7. Re: Raleigh Pros, Raleigh Team on ebay #400032976224
> (Hugh Thornton)
> 8. Re: Raleigh Pros, Raleigh Team on ebay #400032976224
> (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos)
> 9. Re: Raleigh Carltons (weights) (P.C. Kohler)
> 10. 'nother swap meet.. in VA (Dave Abraham)
> 11. Re: Raleigh Pros, Raleigh Team on ebay #400032976224 (david)
> 12. Re: Pro Mk IV vs Mk V (SS caps) (david)
> 13. Re: Pro Mk IV vs Mk V (SS caps) (P.C. Kohler)
> 14. Re: 'nother swap meet.. in VA (Via Bicycle)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:07:21 -0800
> From: Jon Spangler <hudsonspangler@earthlink.net>
> Subject: [CR] Raleigh Pros, Raleigh Team on ebay #400032976224
> To: Dale Brown <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <0AFDEBAC-D4B7-4160-A965-39FF60CE988D@earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; delsp=yes; format
=flowed
>
> Folks,
>
> I emailed larry Osborn to thank him for his "rant" about serial
> numbers at Raleigh, and made the mistake of telling him I no longer
> own either of my Raleigh Pro Mk IVs:
>
> "Both my Raleigh Pros (MK IVs, 52 CM) are gone now: one was stolen
> in 1975, one was re-tubed after a crash (got hit by a car) and
> subsequently sold. The one I sold had a G series serial #, but it has
> a redesigned front end (not very successful, BTW) of Vitus 971 tubing
> so it's a Frankenbike anyway, wherever it is...."
>
> Larry immediately suggested that I should buy another Raleigh. (That
> would cause extreme domestic financial and emotional discord right
> now, so is not an option. :-)
>
> But guess what showed up on ebay in my size, just to tease me?
>
> VINTAGE TEAM RALEIGH RECORD REYNOLDS 531 FRAME (In my size, no less:
> 50 CM seat c-c x 55 CM Top c-c)
>
> Check out ebay #400032976224. It looks very nice, and would probably
> fit me and ride better than my two Mark IVs, but it's out of my reach
> until I'm working again...
>
> Regards,
>
> Jon Spangler
> who may become a re-convert to Raleigh after some future economic
> stimulation in Alameda, CA USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:45:24 -0800
> From: Richard Olson <timeflies1955@msn.com>
> Subject: [CR] Weinmann Type 500 calipers- intro date?
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <BAY112-DS5C6E94C697236C6ECF582ADAB0@phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi All-
>
> Can anyone tell me the approximate intro date of the Weinmann 500
> brakeset? I'm building up a ca.'58-'61 or so fillet brazed Frejus, hav
e
> a NOS set of Weinmann that fit nicely, hope I'm not too far off timelin
e
> wise.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Rick Olson
> Rhododendron, OR
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:00:30 -0800
> From: Jon Spangler <hudsonspangler@earthlink.net>
> Subject: [CR] Does this blue Mondia (Baylis paint) look familiar?
> To: Dale Brown <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <9E9F8CAA-1BB7-4941-97E0-24A461AB7330@earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; delsp=yes; format
=flowed
>
> Bikies,
>
> I thought this Mondia just sold on ebay for about $1000. It sure
> LOOKS familiar, anyway.
>
> It's on the BOBishBikesFS list at #19936, too:
>
>
> http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/
>
>
> Jon Spangler
> Curious in Alameda, CA USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:46:55 -0500
> From: <Carb7008@cs.com>
> Subject: [CR] Pro Mk IV vs Mk V (SS caps)
> To: <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Message-ID: <cd5.48fa5b2f.36da29cf@cs.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Jerry and CR,
>
> My understanding is main distinguishing feature of Mk V is
> oversized/overlapping seat-stay caps (pic att)...I think there is a prope
r tech term for this
> but I can't recall it. In person, they look stuck on and unfinished bu
t Raleigh
> must've wanted it this way on their flagship.
>
> Can anyone further provide examples or reasoning (other than style) of
> overlapping SS caps?
>
> Jack Romans
> Sacramento, CA
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 07:41:27 +0000
> From: nicbordeaux <nicbordeaux@yahoo.fr>
> Subject: [CR] Classic bike authentification and pissing competitions
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <123046.29795.qm@web28008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On the Letendre/Peugeot front, it's all suddenly more complication than
it'
> s worth, so I'll keep the bike and the documentation hidden away, con
tinue
> to build on the latter, and just enjoy the gear myself.
>
> One can always query a bike's authenticity or provenance, the older the
bik
> e is, the easier it becomes. So rather than start showing some other st
uff
> I have, I've wiped the partspeekers site and will spend more time on th
e bi
> ke, and working on and enjoying the gear.
>
> Matteo's finds are incredible, were it that I would walk into a gas sta
tion
> and come out with three bikes the maker of which was still alive to auth
en
> ticate them beyond doubt. Still, will there be somebody out there to st
art
> a pissing competition and query them ? Hope not, because Matteo will ma
ke t
> hem look very silly.
>
> Beautiful sunny morning here, temperatures expected about 16? C, so p
roba
> bly a good half century bash through the hills on a pristine SDC handbuil
d
> Pink Mercier, and who cares which pro's bike it was ?
>
> Best to all, you can always reach me at nicbordeaux@yahoo.fr, and I'l
l read
> the archives from time to time.
>
> Nick March, somewhere around Agen 4700 Lot et Garonne (but a whole load
pre
> ttier), France.
>
> =0A=0A=0A
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 07:23:56 -0500
> From: Todd Grantham <wtgrantham@comcast.net>
> Subject: [CR] Raleigh International
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <B794ACBBFC2D4C04A51FEBC0AB57FF37@workhorse>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I asked recently about recommendations for vintage all around style
> bikes and someone (can't remeber who) recommended Raleigh
> International. I came across one, seems really nice, good frame and
> components. Any Raleigh "experts" out there willing to give me an
> opinion or any info on one?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:23:19 +0000
> From: Hugh Thornton <hughwthornton@yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Raleigh Pros, Raleigh Team on ebay #400032976224
> To: Dale Brown <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, Jon Spangler
> <hudsonspangler@earthlink.net>
> Message-ID: <718616.68339.qm@web25901.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> ?
> Don't worry about not getting this -- it isn't a real Team Pro.? The Reco
> rd in team colors is a nice frame, Worksop-built from the same 531 tubi
ng a
> s the Team Pro but with lesser lugs and?half-chrome front forks and no ch
> rome on the rear dropouts - not like some/all Worksop-built Team Pros whi
ch
> had front and rear dropout faces chromed.? The Team Record frames that I
> have seen have not been as well finished as the team replicas.
> ?
> Hugh Thornton
> Cheshire, England
>
> --- On Sat, 28/2/09, Jon Spangler <hudsonspangler@earthlink.net> wrot
e:
>
> From: Jon Spangler <hudsonspangler@earthlink.net>
> Subject: [CR] Raleigh Pros, Raleigh Team on ebay #400032976224
> To: "Dale Brown" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Saturday, 28 February, 2009, 2:07 AM
>
> Folks,
>
> I emailed larry Osborn to thank him for his "rant" about serial
> numbers at Raleigh, and made the mistake of telling him I no longer own
eit
> her
> of my Raleigh Pro Mk IVs:
>
> "Both my Raleigh Pros (MK IVs, 52 CM) are gone now: one was stolen in
> 1975, one was re-tubed after a crash (got hit by a car) and subsequentl
y so
> ld.
> The one I sold had a G series serial #, but it has a redesigned front e
nd (
> not
> very successful, BTW) of Vitus 971 tubing so it's a Frankenbike anyway
,
> wherever it is...."
>
> Larry immediately suggested that I should buy another Raleigh. (That woul
d
> cause extreme domestic financial and emotional discord right now, so is
not
> an
> option. :-)
>
> But guess what showed up on ebay in my size, just to tease me?
>
> VINTAGE TEAM RALEIGH RECORD REYNOLDS 531 FRAME (In my size, no less: 50
CM
> seat
> c-c x 55 CM Top c-c)
>
> Check out ebay #400032976224. It looks very nice, and would probably fi
t me
> and
> ride better than my two Mark IVs, but it's out of my reach until I'm
> working again...
>
> Regards,
>
> Jon Spangler
> who may become a re-convert to Raleigh after some future economic stimula
ti
> on
> in Alameda, CA USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> =0A=0A=0A
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:59:03 -0800
> From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Raleigh Pros, Raleigh Team on ebay #400032976224
> To: Dale Brown <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, Jon Spangler
> <hudsonspangler@earthlink.net>, <hughwthornton@yahoo.co.uk>
> Message-ID: <243311.33199.qm@web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> IIRC Raleigh used the Team colors at almost every quality level. I thoug
ht
> they even had some gaspipe models, including the Record, one step be
low th
> e Grand Prix, in Team colors. If so, and if that gaspipe model was a
lso ma
> rked Record, it could be really confusing. Except a gaspipe Record wou
ld n
> ot likely have pro quality forged DO's like this frame.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Big Spring, Texas, USA
>
>
> --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Hugh Thornton <hughwthornton@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > From: Hugh Thornton <hughwthornton@yahoo.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [CR] Raleigh Pros, Raleigh Team on ebay #400032976224
> > To: "Dale Brown" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, "Jon Spangler" <hu
dson
> spangler@earthlink.net>
> > Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 6:23 AM
> > ?
> > Don't worry about not getting this -- it isn't a
> > real Team Pro.? The Reco
> > rd in team colors is a nice frame, Worksop-built from the
> > same 531 tubing a
> > s the Team Pro but with lesser lugs and?half-chrome front
> > forks and no ch
> > rome on the rear dropouts - not like some/all Worksop-built
> > Team Pros which
> > had front and rear dropout faces chromed.? The Team
> > Record frames that I
> > have seen have not been as well finished as the team
> > replicas.
> > ?
> > Hugh Thornton
> > Cheshire, England
> >
> > --- On Sat, 28/2/09, Jon Spangler
> > <hudsonspangler@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > From: Jon Spangler <hudsonspangler@earthlink.net>
> > Subject: [CR] Raleigh Pros, Raleigh Team on ebay
> > #400032976224
> > To: "Dale Brown"
> > <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Date: Saturday, 28 February, 2009, 2:07 AM
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > I emailed larry Osborn to thank him for his
> > "rant" about serial
> > numbers at Raleigh, and made the mistake of telling him I
> > no longer own eit
> > her
> > of my Raleigh Pro Mk IVs:
> >
> > "Both my Raleigh Pros (MK IVs, 52 CM) are gone now:
> > one was stolen in
> > 1975, one was re-tubed after a crash (got hit by a car) and
> > subsequently so
> > ld.
> > The one I sold had a G series serial #, but it has a
> > redesigned front end (
> > not
> > very successful, BTW) of Vitus 971 tubing so it's a
> > Frankenbike anyway,
> > wherever it is...."
> >
> > Larry immediately suggested that I should buy another
> > Raleigh. (That would
> > cause extreme domestic financial and emotional discord
> > right now, so is not
> > an
> > option. :-)
> >
> > But guess what showed up on ebay in my size, just to tease
> > me?
> >
> > VINTAGE TEAM RALEIGH RECORD REYNOLDS 531 FRAME (In my size,
> > no less: 50 CM
> > seat
> > c-c x 55 CM Top c-c)
> >
> > Check out ebay #400032976224. It looks very nice, and would
> > probably fit me
> > and
> > ride better than my two Mark IVs, but it's out of my
> > reach until I'm
> > working again...
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jon Spangler
> > who may become a re-convert to Raleigh after some future
> > economic stimulati
> > on
> > in Alameda, CA USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > =0A=0A=0A
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:38:40 -0500
> From: "P.C. Kohler" <kohl57@starpower.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Raleigh Carltons (weights)
> To: <Carb7008@cs.com>, <biankita@comcast.net>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Message-ID: <833ADC5FB36242B0B50960D745134089@peter5ca78cb10>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Carb7008@cs.com>
> To: <biankita@comcast.net>
> Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:09 AM
> Subject: [CR] Raleigh Carltons (weights)
> > Your interesting observation of Raleigh's adv weights compelled me to t
ake
> > the following fish-scale measurements of framesets (w/HS, w/o BB):
> >
> > 23.5" japRal Superbe 531SL....5.25 lbs
> > 24.5" RalPro Mk V..................5.50
> > 24.5" Stella (Columbus)...........6.50
> > 62 cm Trek 760 (full 531)..........6.50
> > 23.5" '71 Ral Int'l......................7.00
> > 61cm '74 Schwinn P13.............7.50
>
> Just weighed my '70 Raleigh Pro Mk. I: 25.5" frame (c-t): 7.60 lbs with
> headseat.
>
> So comparable it seems with the International and Paramount.
>
> Peter Kohler
> Washington DC USA
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 07:43:06 -0800
> From: Dave Abraham <daviabraham@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [CR] 'nother swap meet.. in VA
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <935260.84949.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> http://www.stopswapandsave.com/
>
> ? c u there?
>
>
> Dave Abraham
> New Wheel ~ Hokie Spokes
> http://www.hokiespokes.com
> Beautiful SW Va.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:54:20 -0500
> From: david <viciouscycles@excite.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Raleigh Pros, Raleigh Team on ebay #400032976224
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, <hudsonspangler@earthlink.net>,
> <hughwthornton@yahoo.co.uk>, <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> Message-ID: <20090228115420.17629@web009.roc2.bluetie.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Having one of the Euro "Team Record's" I have had alot of input. My vers
ion
> is the same year as the one on eBay but has different decalling , and
deta
> ils.
> The guy that oversee's the Team Raleigh web page had the best critique o
f m
> y bike as equivelent (frame wise) of the Competition sold in the states.
Hav
> ing a Competition, in the box, to compare to , this is very close b
ut for th
> e team colors, and equipment . Details such as brake bridge and fork cr
own s
> eem to confirm this.
>
> It seems that Raleigh had more than one "Team Record" for different Euro
. m
> arkets too. I have seen the boiler pipe bikes painted this way too, but
they
> stick out like a sore toe.
>
> David Cowie
> Oakland , Ore.
> USA
> 3rd rock from heat
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Jerome Elizabeth Moos" [jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net]
> Date: 02/28/2009 04:59 AM
> To: "Dale Brown" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, "Jon Spangler" <huds
onspa
> ngler@earthlink.net>, hughwthornton@yahoo.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [CR] Raleigh Pros, Raleigh Team on ebay #400032976224
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> VA Loan
> Learn about VA loan programs and benefits. Click now.
> http://tagline.excite.com/
> 2l2ZNrSsylJO/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:03:40 -0500
> From: david <viciouscycles@excite.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Pro Mk IV vs Mk V (SS caps)
> To: <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>, <Carb7008@cs.com>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Message-ID: <20090228120340.29337@web005.roc2.bluetie.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
>
> I had a couple of the MkV's and the only reason I can fathom that this SS
ca
> p detail went into production was to save a half hour filing , My earli
est o
> ne was finished much better, like the Paramount. The later one just loo
ked l
> ike a Guniess hangover.
>
>
> David Cowie
> Oakland Or.
> USA
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carb7008@cs.com
> Date: 02/27/2009 09:47 PM
> To: jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net
> CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR] Pro Mk IV vs Mk V (SS caps)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Home Mortgage
> Don't pay a high mortgage rate. Click to find an affordable mortgage.
> http://tagline.excite.com/
> tt8a8L77uEiU/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:21:55 -0500
> From: "P.C. Kohler" <kohl57@starpower.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Pro Mk IV vs Mk V (SS caps)
> To: <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>, <Carb7008@cs.com>, david
> <viciouscycles@excite.com>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Message-ID: <2C5D9D2182BA44368B9D160E06791F01@peter5ca78cb10>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> The these oversized seat stay caps were a hallmark of the Ilkeston
> SBDU-built 753 frames and considered very cool at the time. The reworking
of
> the Worksop Pro into the Mark V was clearly an effort to give the look of
> the team bikes hence the adoption of the seat caps I suspect.
>
> Peter Kohler
> Washington DC USA
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:24:08 -0500
> From: Via Bicycle <viabicycle@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR] 'nother swap meet.. in VA
> To: CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID:
> <755971e20902280924g1dfcd275h82e1c900f8d2ca18@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> We will be there to buy and Sell. We are bringing a couple totes of
> small bits like various headbadges, some stems, and chainrings, and
> even a set of Paramount handlebar grips for ol' track racers(4 piece
> set). No bikes this time, or frames. Well we contemplated bringing a
> 1960s 4 speed Moulton, but if this is similar layout as the
> Westminster, MD swap, not the greatest if you are trying to sell
> bikes.
>
> Wea re looking to buy decent road bikes/10 speeds to refurbish for
> college kids and commuters here in Philadelphia. alloy wheels, alloy
> cranks, something above a schwinn Varisty. Not to be too picky, but I
> will gladly look at your Frejus or Trek or Panasonic, I guess any
> vintage lightweight. And also any raleigh or Schwinn 3 speed. . . .and
> any chromey Rene Herse, 650b, 58cm.
>
> If you are not sure if it is worth it for you to bring to the swap
> meet for us to buy, just send me an email.
>
> thanks
> joel ralph flood
> philadelphia, PA
> http://bikeville.blogspot.com/
>
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Dave Abraham <daviabraham@yahoo.c
om> wrot
> e:
> > http://www.stopswapandsave.com/
> >
> > ? c u there?
> >
> >
> > Dave Abraham
> > New Wheel ~ Hokie Spokes
> > http://www.hokiespokes.com
> > Beautiful SW Va.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
> End of Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 74, Issue 129
> **************************************************