Re: [CR] 1956 Gillott fleur de Lis 564510

From: Mark Stevens <gillottspear@googlemail.com>
To: Daniel Suddaby <Daniel.Suddaby@msc.org>, <rob@sargentandco.com>, Neill Shankland <info@atlantic-boulevard.co.uk>
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:45:50 +0100
Cc: Mark Stevens <gillottspear@googlemail.com>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR] 1956 Gillott fleur de Lis 564510

Copied to all concerned. That was a very satisfying bit of detective work. >Mark Yes ....there is a very faint 56 before the 4510.>Neill ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Stevens To: Neill Shankland Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:53 PM Subject: Re: Lug Id help- please Hello Neil, if you can find the numbers 56 in front of the 4510 then we have the full frame number. I have a Gillott trike number 564512 which has fluted top eyes. Please have another look and let Daniel and I know. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Neill Shankland To: Mark Stevens Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:03 PM Subject: Re: Lug Id help- please Mark Thank you very much for positvely identifying our frame as a Gillot. I have since found , under he rust, a frame number : 4510 and have removed the DeVer number. This will now enable me to continue work on the frame. Thanks again Neill. ----- Original Message ----- ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Suddaby To: rob@sargentandco.com ; Neill Shankland Cc: Mark Stevens Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:39 AM Subject: RE: Lug Id help- please Hi Neil Can you please help Mark\u2026 Mark..thank you so much please see some more info attached. I think the De Ver have over stamped the frame but unsure. Many thanks Daniel From: Mark Stevens [mailto:gillottspear@googlemail.com] Sent: 04 August 2009 10:31 To: Daniel Suddaby; oroboyz@aol.com; hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk Cc: gillottspear@googlemail.com; rob@sargentandco.com Subject: Re: Lug Id help- please Dear Daniel, You have a very fine mid 50's Gillott Fleur de Lis. The fluted seat stay eyes are identical to my original machine from 1955. Have a look here http://www.flickr.com/photos/makfreak/sets/72157605305577870/ Do let me know the frame number, size of frame, type of dropouts, brazeon details and more pictures of fork crown etc. Glad to help, Mark Stevens ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Suddaby To: oroboyz@aol.com ; hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk Cc: gillottspear@googlemail.com ; rob@sargentandco.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 6:45 AM Subject: RE: Lug Id help- please Many thanks Hillary and Dale, Have re-attached photos for Mark Stevens. From: oroboyz@aol.com [mailto:oroboyz@aol.com] Sent: 03 August 2009 23:50 To: hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk Cc: Daniel Suddaby; gillottspear@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Lug Id help- please thanks Hilary -----Original Message----- From: Hilary Stone <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk> To: oroboyz@aol.com Cc: Daniel.Suddaby@msc.org; gillottspear@googlemail.com Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2009 6:08 pm Subject: Re: Lug Id help- please The lugs look like the Gillott Fleur de Lis de luxe pattern but the seatstay cap design I have not seen on a Gillott before and the for crown is not as fancy as I would expect but have included Mark Stevens the Gillott V-CC ME in on this email to see what his opinion is... I do wonder whether it is a Ron Cooper special for De Ver... Some more details of the frame number(s) - pics perhaps would I am sure help... best rgds Hilary oroboyz@aol.com wrote: > Well, that is a magnificent frame and I am thinking perhaps Gillot > (famous for Fleur de Lis) or possibly a Mal Rees (by Bill Hurlow) > But you should consider researching it thoroughly before painting as > that is an important piece of cycling craft and British heritage which > deserves correct restoration.... > How about contacting the Marque enthusiats for Gillot and Mal Rees > within the VCC? > http://www.v-cc.org.uk/ > > Dale > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Suddaby <Daniel.Suddaby@msc.org> > To: oroboyz@aol.com > Cc: rob@sargentandco.com; Neill Shankland <info@atlantic-boulevard.co.uk> > Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2009 6:26 am > Subject: RE: Lug Id help- please > > Dear Dale, > > Please find attached the mystery frame photos previously mentioned (see > below). Any light you can shed on the maker would be greatly appreciated. > > Really appreciate this, many thanks > > Daniel > *From:* Daniel Suddaby > *Sent:* 31 July 2009 08:53 > *To:* 'Neill Shankland' > *Cc:* 'oroboyz@aol.com <mailto:oroboyz@aol.com>'; 'rob@sargentandco.com > <mailto:rob@sargentandco.com>' > *Subject:* RE: Lug Id help- please > *Importance:* High > > Hi Neil, > > Just trying to chase up on ID-ing this frame, see the email thread > below. In essence looks like it isn\u2019t a hetchins but something else. > Could I ask you a fa vour and to snap a couple of shots of the head lugs, > fork crown and BBkt etc, and email over to Dale, who might be bale to > help us. > > Rob is also chasing up with Phil Wray today, so hopefully get a clarity > for decals and a head badge in the next few days. Many thanks all for > helping with this really appreciate it. > > Daniel > > *From:* oroboyz@aol.com <mailto:oroboyz@aol.com> [mailto:oroboyz@aol.com > <mailto:oroboyz@aol.com?>] > *Sent:* 30 July 2009 22:28 > *To:* Daniel Suddaby > *Subject:* Re: Lug Id help- please > > Hi Daniel: > > From the little I can see in your pics, it could be a Carpenter or > Gillot or a number of other makes..... Can you supply pics of head lugs, > fork crown, BBkt, etc? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Suddaby <Daniel.Suddaby@msc.org > <mailto:Daniel.Suddaby@msc.org>> > To: OROBOYZ@aol.com <mailto:OROBOYZ@aol.com> > Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:14 pm > Subject: FW: Lug Id help- please > > Dear Dale > > > > I hope you can help, please see below the editor Hetchins.org suggested I > > contact you. > > > > I am currently getting a bike re-sprayed and rebuilt by Rob Sargant in North > > London. But I am having some issues trying to trace the frame makers and it is > > holding up the painting as we are unsure what decals to use. > > > > It has a DeVer head badge and De Ver serial number on the frame, but the frame > > looks 1960 which was before DeVer were making frames. It is currently with > > the frame sprayer but we are delayed until we can Id the frame and therefore get > > the original decals. The frame sprayer believes it maybe a Hetchins but hetchins.org editor has noted that this is not the case (confirmed by hetchins.org ) > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsargent/3542674185/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsargent/3543482662/in/photo > stream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsargent/3543482662/in/photostream/ > > > > > > Unfortunately the SN has been (over?) stamped with a DeVer serial number. Not > > sure if you could shed any light on this mystery so I can20ride my bike in what's > > left of summer ; ) > > > > Many thanks > > > > > > Daniel Suddaby > > Senior Fisheries Certification Manager > > NEW! MSC Supplier Directory > > Use our new online search tool to find certified suppliers of sustainable > > seafood - http://cert.msc.org/supplierdirectory. > > Marine Stewardship Council > > Mountbarrow House | 6-20 Elizabeth Street | London | SW1W 9RB | United Kingdom > > Direct: + 44 (0) 20 7811 3322| Office: + 44 (0) 20 7811 3300 | Fax: + 44 (0) > > 20 7811 3301 | http://www.msc.org/ > > This e-mail and any accompanying documents contain confidential information > > intended for a specific individual or company. This information is private and > > protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > > that any disclosure, copying or distribution, or the taking of any action based > > on the contents of this information, is strictly prohibited. You are also > > requested to advise us immediately if you receive information not addressed to > > you. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: hetchins [mailto:editor@hetchins.org <mailto:editor@hetchins.org?>] > > Sent: 30 July 2009 17:09 > > To: Daniel Suddaby > > Subject: Re: Lug Id help please > > > > Daniel, > > > > Thank you for your inquiry regarding an unknown frame. I cannot help you > > with the DeVer, as I'm no expert on that. I can tell that it is > > definitely not a Hetchins lug pattern. As to what it is, I suggest you > > show the lug fotos to Dale Brown at Cycles D'Oro: > > > > OROBOYZ@aol.com <mailto:OROBOYZ@aol.com> > > > > He's the most able man I know of to identify lug sets. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Flash > > Attached Message > From: Vivid Wheels <sales@vividwheels.co.uk> > To: Daniel Suddaby <Daniel.Suddaby@msc.org> > Subject: pictures of frame > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:09:16 +0100 > > DSC01989.JPG > > > DSC01990.JPG > > > DSC01991.JPG > > > Th ese pictures sent on behalf of neill @ atlantic boulevard. > > > > > Regards > > James** > * * > * * > *Vivid* <http://www.vividwheels.co.uk/>** > ** <http://www.vividwheels.co.uk/>** > * * > * * >