Re: [CR] Tall Francisco Cuevas on ebay

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:04:19 -0700
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
To: Edward Albert <ealbert01@gmail.com>, "David G. White" <whiteknight@burlingtontelecom.net>
In-Reply-To: <4AC20C26.4010108@burlingtontelecom.net>
Cc: averyallen@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR] Tall Francisco Cuevas on ebay


AFAIK, "Francisco" is more common in Spanish, or perhaps Catalan, Cuevas being form Barcelona, while "Francesco" is the more common form in Italian. Although I'm sure there are more than a few Spanish Francesco's and Italian Francisco's. I have also seen Cuevas's name spelled both ways.

Regards,

Jerry Moos
Big Spring, Texas, USA


--- On Tue, 9/29/09, David G. White wrote:


> From: David G. White <whiteknight@burlingtontelecom.net>

\r?\n> Subject: Re: [CR] Tall Francisco Cuevas on ebay

\r?\n> To: "Edward Albert" <ealbert01@gmail.com>

\r?\n> Cc: averyallen@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

\r?\n> Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 8:31 AM

\r?\n> Hmmmm.... well, I've done a bit more

\r?\n> research on the web. Perhaps I'm

\r?\n> wrong about the spelling of his first name. I've seen it

\r?\n> spelled both

\r?\n> ways -- Francesco and Francisco -- even the Classic

\r?\n> Rendezvous website

\r?\n> uses both spellings.  Moreover, looking closely at the

\r?\n> stylized

\r?\n> signature decal on the top tube of my own Cuevas bike, the

\r?\n> letter looks

\r?\n> more like an "i" than an "e".

\r?\n>

\r?\n> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/David-G-Whites-Bikes/Cuevas/Cuevas+headset+and+signature+_small_.jpg.html

\r?\n>

\r?\n> As for his sons, I've seen references to Fernando, Paco and

\r?\n> Andres, but

\r?\n> none to a son named Francisco.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Does anyone know for sure?

\r?\n>

\r?\n> David

\r?\n>

\r?\n> David G. White

\r?\n> Burlington, VT

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Edward Albert wrote:

\r?\n> > I believe Francisco is Francesco's son.

\r?\n> > Edward Albert

\r?\n> > Chappaqua, New York, U.S.A.

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:55 AM, David G. White

\r?\n> > <whiteknight@burlingtontelecom.net>

\r?\n> wrote:

\r?\n> >   

\r?\n> >> This might be a Cuevas (some of the build features

\r?\n> look as if they could be

\r?\n> >> his), but....

\r?\n> >>

\r?\n> >> 1) Cuevas' first name was Francesco, not

\r?\n> Francisco

\r?\n> >> 2) Previously I've only seen Cuevas's last name

\r?\n> used in the decals on the

\r?\n> >> downtube (granted he made a lot of bikes and I've

\r?\n> only seen a handful).

\r?\n> >> 3) Typically the decal on the top tube was a

\r?\n> stylized version of his

\r?\n> >> signature, not "Custom Built"

\r?\n> >> 4) Typically the seat stays on Cuevas bikes had

\r?\n> fluted tops. It's a bit hard

\r?\n> >> to be sure due to poor photos, but it looks as if

\r?\n> this one has plan tops.

\r?\n> >>

\r?\n> >> The best way to know whether this is a genuine

\r?\n> Cuevas would be to see a

\r?\n> >> photo of the underside of the fork crown. Cuevas

\r?\n> placed a cross brace at the

\r?\n> >> bottom the the steerer tube. Like this one:

\r?\n> >>

\r?\n> >> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/David-G-Whites-Bikes/Cuevas/Cuevas+head+tube+cross+bracing+1.JPG.html

\r?\n> >>

\r?\n> >> This one is even too tall for me!

\r?\n> >>

\r?\n> >> Best,

\r?\n> >>

\r?\n> >> David

\r?\n> >>

\r?\n> >> David G. White

\r?\n> >> Burlington, VT

\r?\n> >>

\r?\n> >>

\r?\n> >>

\r?\n> >> averyallen@aol.com

\r?\n> wrote:

\r?\n> >>     

\r?\n> >>> Listers and Listees,

\r?\n> >>>

\r?\n> >>>

\r?\n> >>>

\r?\n> >>> Not sure if this has been discussed yet.? A

\r?\n> very tall Francisco Cuevas is

\r?\n> >>> listed on ebay.??Nice lug work.? Reynolds 531

\r?\n> frame. ?Item number

\r?\n> >>> ?(220487225852) .? Seller has stated he thinks

\r?\n> Francisco Cuevas was the

\r?\n> >>> owner and not the builder!???? Bike is in

\r?\n> Charlotte, NC.? No relation to

\r?\n> >>> seller.

\r?\n> >>>

\r?\n> >>>

\r?\n> >>>

\r?\n> >>> David Allen

\r?\n> >>>

\r?\n> >>> Marietta, Georgia near the Big Chicken