Also not familiar with the idea that a velodrome has four turns, always seemed to me I was going into turn one and then out of it into the back stretch as Ted describes.
Arguably, the Ghent track has only one turn for the whole track since the straights are gently curved too ;-) You just keep turning and turning and turning and never get the feeling of being dumped out onto a flat like you do at many other tracks.
Mitch Harris Little Rock Canyon, Utah, USA
2009/1/5 ternst <ternst1@cox.net>:
> OK, Gene, you in trouble now.
> You and I raced together in the 50's and you're supposed to know this!!!
> This is exactly what Roger Young says and he states it without argument t
o
> his classes as Velodrome Director at the ADT Velodrome in the Home Depot
> athletic Center in Carson, California.
> Roger is a multi National champion, Sister to Sheila Young, world and mul
ti
> national champion, and whose dad Claire Young, my dad and I raced against
.
> Claie was also one of Mike Walden's buddies, so all this goes into the '3
0's
> and still is going today!!
> All the commentary about tied and soldered spokes, diving down the velodr
ome
> bankings, etc. is correct!
> BUT, there are only TWO TURNS on a bicycle track/velodrome, PERIOD!
> Turn one and turn two. GET IT? GOOD!!!
>>
>> From the starting line on the home stretch you are going INTO the first
>
> turn, then going OUT of the first turn into the back stretch!!!
> Then from the back stretch you go into the SECOND turn, then you come ou
t
> of the SECOND turn and go into the home stretch toward the S/F line.
> AND THAT'S IT!!!
> If you guys and gals are going to talk track bikes, fixed gears,and track
s,
> then get it right.
> You all talk to too many very knowledgeable bicycle people and I would en
joy
> your using the proper lingo to avoid a faux pax.
> If you don't, I will call upon John "The Enforcer" Pergolizzi.
> He will get the Vigorelli leg men to visit the offenders, put them in a
> figure "8" leg twist until you cry basta!, si, si, due curva unico sopra
la
> pista.
> Gene, you been scathed, but I forgive you, maybe it was a senior moment.
> For everyone else just another nudge to help you hold your line as it wer
e.
> Love to nag you all, now, I'm going to watch Jeopardy!.
> Ted Ernst
> Palos Verdes Estates
> CA USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "genediggs" <genediggs@aol.com>
> To: "ehbusch" <ehbusch@bellsouth.net>; "Mark Fulton" <markfulton5@mac.com
>;
> "D&M Rapley" <bunyips2@bigpond.net.au>
> Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Tying and soldering.
>
>
>> Had to put my two cents worth in on tied and soldered track wheels. I
>> still
>> have a set of track wheels that I built just for riding 1000 meter races
>> bac
>> k in the mid 1950's. They have 28 hole Scheeren wood filled rims with RH
>> Air
>> lite high flange hubs. TIres were Clement Seta. They were good for 200
>> PSI.
>> We didn't have air gauges that went that high so we flicked them with a
>> fing
>> er nail and listened for the right sound. Why did build wheels for just
>> one
>> race? For the same reason I have a set of Cane Creek Carbon Fiber wheels
>> on
>> my current track bike, lighter, stiffer, faster. I invite all list membe
rs
>> t
>> o come to The Velodrome at Bloomer Park in Rochester Hills, Michigan and
>> div
>> e off of 44 degree turn four and do a flying 200. I still find it a t
>> hrill at seventy four years old although my times are considerable slowe
r.
>> G
>> ene Diggs, Rochester Hills, MI, USA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 5, 2009, at 9:59:13 AM, ehbusch <ehbusch@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> From: ehbusch <ehbusch@bellsouth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [CR]Tying and soldering.
>> Date: January 5, 2009 9:59:13 AM GMT-05:00
>> To: "Mark Fulton" <markfulton5@mac.com>, "D&M Rapley" <bunyips2@bigpond.
ne
>> t.au>
>> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> I also agree with the "Diving Off the Banking Feeling" beeing the best a
nd
>>
>> which took on a whole new meaning when they used to hold races at Trento
n
>>
>> Speedway. Any one remember that? or been there, done that? Trenton
>> Speedway
>>
>> was used to hold Indy Car Races. As I remember it had the same degree
>> banking as T-Town but it was about three times as wide. When you went to
>> the
>>
>> top of the banking there you were about four stories high..Not too many
>> tied
>>
>> and soldered road wheels there...
>>
>> Ed Busch
>> Vonore, Tennessee-USA
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Fulton" <markfulton5@mac.com>
>> To: "D&M Rapley" <bunyips2@bigpond.net.au>
>> Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CR]Tying and soldering.
>>
>>
>>> I agree with David (Rapley) when he says, "...diving off the banking is
>>> the best bike feeling ever" with tied & soldered spokes. (G'day David.)
>>> But that's not why I tied & soldered my spokes when I was velodrome
>>> racing
>>
>>> in the late '40s and early '50s. I tied & soldered mine because all of
>>> the
>>
>>> pros had theirs done, and I was really good at it. My soldering always
>>> looked really good because I used solid bar tinned lead solder and resi
n
>>
>>> flux\u2014not acid core wire solder.
>>>
>>> Mark Fulton
>>> Redwood City
>>> California
>>> USA