Re: [CR] Racist (not Racing) Bikes

(Example: Production Builders:Pogliaghi)

From: Stephen James <sj52@hotmail.com>
To: <akimbo71@gmx.net>, <jgallen@lexairinc.com>, Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:56:08 +0000
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Subject: Re: [CR] Racist (not Racing) Bikes


Speaking as an African-American, who's also lived in France, I don't think the creator of the logo expected it to be "racist", if ya'll mean "derogatory." Now, whether some viewers of the logo laughed at it because it amused or reaffirmed their sense of superiority is another thing, but not particularly relevant to the bike or to the black people pictured. I looked at the image, and I've never seen a black person who looked like that. Like all stereotypes, it says more about the creator than it does about the subject. I think that's why certain stereotypical images (of non-whites and poor people in western countries) are frowned upon. It's very similar to the contemporary German laws/restrictions on negative images of Jewish people. I.e., it's not because Jewish people complain. It may be pc, but there's a reason for it. Anyway, as a cyclist, I would only buy a bike I can ride. So, the frame's too small for me; otherwise, I'd gladly buy it for its historical value. In fact, I'll suggest that the seller contact a museum or collection like the Schomburg, just to see if they'd be interested. During my time in France, I used to hang out by "Le Petite Negre." The language and accompanying image "could" be taken as derogatory; but, it wasn't, even though it was image from the imperialist days (ok. maybe republican). I also think that if the bike used "Negre" instead of "Sauvage", it would be easier to tie it to racism, per se. After all, the "Noble Savage" was a positive ideal, invented by a Frenchman, iinm. Well, I think the bike is more interesting as an historical artifact. Whatever happens, try to protect the badge. cheers,Steve JamesThe Bronx, NY, USA