Re: [CR] Ideale saddle leather only on ebay

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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:22:49 -0500
From: "Jay Dubiel" <zoomdog@pure.net>
To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, <jaouenbazin@free.fr>
Subject: Re: [CR] Ideale saddle leather only on ebay


JAOUEN, Thank you for taking the time to explain this subject. I had forgotten that the dollar value is actually a good deal for the EU and Japan. That's why so many in the USA get outbid by the Japanese buyers. We think the price is high and they think it is reasonable. Thank you also for the unusual offerings you put on eBay. I always watch with interest even if I do not bid.

Regards, Jay Dubiel Halifax, VA USA

""Hello, Jerry ,Ken, Jay, Leonard i'm the seller of Ideale leather cover on ebay. I collect this many years ago from Ideale factory. they was keeped at factory, some are not past control quality (double stamped, leather color, scare etc), some are protopype, some have rivet holes but not mount, some are mount on wrong frame etc and of course some are just no mount and perfect! I don't think ideale provided only leather on bicyle shop , but you can return them on Ideale factory to change leather or frame. FT change to TB around 1945 but the both coexiste during some years. FT= Francois Tron?? i don't know probably Norris or Jan can tell it About price, Ideale saddle 57FT (1st type 1936 called "cretirium des alpes") is the most rarer and the best Ideale saddle. Ideale 57FT was mount on the best Herse, Singer, etc bicycle, can be sold for 8000-10000$. With an used bike from 40's-50's you can made a new paint, new decals, new chrome, polish aluminium, but one thing you can't refurbished: saddle and saddle logo. So i understand for a 8000$ value bicycle buy a new leather cover for 500$ is not sensless. You can't have a new bike without a new saddle. Finaly he value of the bike is the saddle condition. And, sorry for that, dollar value is actualy very low. 1$=0.67eur=90yen, for a japanese or a europeean it's not 500$ but 350$ But other new Ideale saddle i offer is affordable.""
Regards
Jaouen BAZIN
Wissous, France