Re: [CR] Shill bidding pattern?

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:45:23 -0800
From: "Jim Mather" <matherjd1@gmail.com>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR] Shill bidding pattern?


I have reported apparent shill bidding to Ebay security (mandolins, not bikes). Ebay investigated and suspended the seller. The seller is back but I haven't noticed them shill bidding again.

Jim Mather walnut creek calif usa

On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Tom Hayes <hayesbikes@gmail.com> wrote:
> That particular seller on Ebay does appear as if he or she is using shill
> bidding: especially the one bidder who has bid multiple times on auctions,
> has not won one, and one hundred percent of the bids were on that
> particular
> seller's auctions.
>
> Ebay's argument that they masked the bidders' identity to protect the
> identity of those bidding may be true, though I am not sure how showing the
> username of an Ebay bidder subjects him or her to invasion of privacy or
> being hit with spam mail. Masking it, however, does make it much easier
> for
> a seller to use shill bidders without most noticing. The seller would have
> to become flagrant before such practices become apparent, as Steven has
> shown.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Tom Hayes
> Chagrin Falls, Ohio USA
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:36 PM, K.R. Bennett
> <kerriganbennett@comcast.net>wrote:
>
> > The shill bidders seem to be scamming eBay as much or more as they are
> > scamming us. The seller could easily protect his or her interests by
> using
> > a reserve price, but that would result in a higher fee for eBay and might
> > not attract the same bidding interest from buyers.
> >
> > You'd think eBay would vigorously seek to stamp out this practice.
> Steven,
> > I think that looks very bad for the seller. Have you considered going to
> > eBay with your observations?
> >
> > Kerrigan Bennett
> > Pleasant Hill, CA USA
> >
> >
> >
> > Archive-URL:
> >
> http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=classicrendezvous.10912.0432.eml
> > Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:35:48 -0800
> > From: verktyg <verktyg(AT)aol.com>
> > Subject: Re: [CR] Shill bidding pattern?
> >
> > That's been a problem with eBay ever since they started hiding every
> > bidder's ID.
> >
> > It's supposed to protect us from scams. While it may protect a few
> > inexperienced or not too bright bidders, what it really does is protect
> > shillers!
> >
> > I stop bidding or don't bid when I see someone with no feedback or who
> > has a lot of bid retractions running the price up!
> >
> > Have you ever tried to do a bid retraction???
> >
> > Chas. Colerich
> > Oakland, CA USA
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>

>

>

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> Tom Hayes

> Chagrin Falls, Ohio