Re: [CR] TA Pro5, Stronglight 49 Crank/Chainring (and shifting) Questions

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:45:37 -0800
From: "John Clay" <jmedclay@yahoo.com>
To: John Wood <braxton72@gmail.com>, Thomas Adams <thomasthomasa@yahoo.com>
Cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR] TA Pro5, Stronglight 49 Crank/Chainring (and shifting) Questions


Thanks Thomas and everybody else for the input! Somebody I ran into (and can't find again) mentioned having a 19t chainring with a 50.4mm BCD for direct mounting to the inside of the TA flange. You could then set up something like a 44/20 to make a dandy touring double.

I'm pretty partial to the range I got with my 44/32/20 and modified straight 8 (13-17, 20, 26, 34), I did need/appreciate the 20/34 more than a few times; it was fabulous in some small choppy mountains I encountered. Lately though it's occurred to me that I could do pretty much the same thing with a double - and the one thing that I didn't like with my triple was the very wide tread. This would solve it, so I'm looking.

Thanks again

John
Tallahassee, Florida
USA


--- On Mon, 12/28/09, Thomas Adams wrote:


> From: Thomas Adams <thomasthomasa@yahoo.com>

\r?\n> Subject: Re: [CR] TA Pro5, Stronglight 49 Crank/Chainring (and shifting)  Questions

\r?\n> To: "John Clay" <jmedclay@yahoo.com>, "John Wood" <braxton72@gmail.com>

\r?\n> Cc: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

\r?\n> Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 6:54 PM

\r?\n> Dear John: 

\r?\n>  

\r?\n> The smallest normal inner ring on a TA is 26

\r?\n> teeth.  So I presume you're imagining two outer

\r?\n> rings.  One, I don't know of a supply for the micro

\r?\n> outer rings, and two, the TA arms are not set up to clamp

\r?\n> two outer rings to the arms.  So you would have to set

\r?\n> up everything from scratch:  get a longer set of the 5

\r?\n> fixing bolts, find some kind of spacers to space the inner

\r?\n> ring, and then try several bottom bracket spindles to get

\r?\n> the sizing right.  I have no experience with this kind

\r?\n> of set up,  but I wonder if a vintage frame will have

\r?\n> clearance/chainline issues with such a tiny chainring. 

\r?\n>

\r?\n>  

\r?\n> It's also hard to envision a riding situation

\r?\n> where a 32 or 34 tooth rear cog and a front 26 would not be

\r?\n> sufficient.  Perhaps you are trying to micro size

\r?\n> you're rear cluster?  I tried this once with a

\r?\n> short chainstay bike with a 13-24 rear and a 52/42/24 front

\r?\n> triple, and never was happy with chainline or

\r?\n> shifting.  A better set up to emulate might be Sheldon

\r?\n> Brown's wide range double with the TA cranks on his

\r?\n> Hetchins:  50x28 with a 12-28 cluster for a 27 inch low

\r?\n> gear. 

\r?\n>  

\r?\n> http://sheldonbrown.org/hetchins/

\r?\n>  

\r?\n> A 32/34 rear cog would get you a serious low gear

\r?\n> with decent chain line.  I suspect though that longer

\r?\n> chainstays make this work better. 

\r?\n>  

\r?\n> A 20 tooth front chainring would be an interesting

\r?\n> project, but I'd be skeptical of how well it would work,

\r?\n> and I suspect the 20 tooth ring would wear very quickly

\r?\n> indeed.  And getting a derailleur to shift it would be

\r?\n> tough, especially as the TA arms don't like modern

\r?\n> knobby caged front derailleurs.  The arm sits so tight

\r?\n> to the chainrings that vintage straight up and down front

\r?\n> cages are the rule. 

\r?\n>  

\r?\n> Good luck. 

\r?\n>  

\r?\n> Tom Adams

\r?\n> Manhattan, KS

\r?\n>

\r?\n> --- On Mon, 12/28/09, John Wood

\r?\n> <braxton72@gmail.com> wrote:

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> From: John Wood <braxton72@gmail.com>

\r?\n> Subject: Re: [CR] TA Pro5, Stronglight 49 Crank/Chainring

\r?\n> (and shifting) Questions

\r?\n> To: "John Clay" <jmedclay@yahoo.com>

\r?\n> Cc: "Classic Rendezvous"

\r?\n> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

\r?\n> Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 2:56 PM

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 11:34 AM,

\r?\n> John Clay <jmedclay@yahoo.com>

\r?\n> wrote:

\r?\n>

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > The context of all of this is that I'm thinking

\r?\n> about making a 44-20ish

\r?\n> > touring double. Have any of you ever set up anything

\r?\n> like that? If so, did

\r?\n> > it shift reliably? I'd expect the shifting to be

\r?\n> anything but crisp and

\r?\n> > quick, but it needs to be reliable, non-jamming. Do

\r?\n> any of you have any

\r?\n> > insight or experience with similar arrangements?

\r?\n> >

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Hi John,

\r?\n> The closest I have come to the above is a 46/29, and that

\r?\n> shifted fine, but

\r?\n> I did have to play around a bit with front

\r?\n> derailleurs.  I wound up using a

\r?\n> mid to late 90's Campy Chorus FD.

\r?\n> I would think the ideal FD for the set up you describe

\r?\n> would be the new SRAM

\r?\n> XX, assuming you can make it work with whatever shifter

\r?\n>  you're using.

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> --

\r?\n> John Wood

\r?\n> Missoula, Montana, USA