Re: [CR] German bike on ebay: set up for zero-dish rear wheel

(Example: Framebuilding:Restoration)

Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:57:58 -0800
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, Schmid <schmidi@gaponline.de>
In-Reply-To: <9D3C7707750A44E1B64BC796BBA11987@Twinhead>
Subject: Re: [CR] German bike on ebay: set up for zero-dish rear wheel


So how does one center and true a zero-dish rear wheel? Conventional truing stands will center the rim on the hub axle, which will result in the rim being centered between the rear DO's, but on this frame one wants the rim centered between the rear stays. Can a Park Pro stand be adjusted enough to compensate for a frame set up like this?

Regards,

Jerry Moos
Big Spring, Texas, USA


--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Schmid wrote:


> From: Schmid <schmidi@gaponline.de>

\r?\n> Subject: Re: [CR] German bike on ebay: set up for zero-dish rear wheel

\r?\n> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

\r?\n> Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 3:57 AM

\r?\n> I might be a little late on the

\r?\n> subject but I can tell you more about

\r?\n> the bike sold by a fellow listmember.

\r?\n> Leo Schmidt was a unique character buidling bikes in

\r?\n> Cologne. He came up

\r?\n> with special solutions on his bikes, he als realised kid's

\r?\n> racebikes

\r?\n> using a smaller front wheel than the rear wheel. As far as

\r?\n> I know he was

\r?\n> the first to utilize this idea which lter became popular in

\r?\n> TT-machines.

\r?\n> I have a Schmidt bike made of Ishiwata 022 tubing from

\r?\n> 1978. It does not

\r?\n> have the special drop out like the ebay bike. Very nice and

\r?\n> unique

\r?\n> lugwork. I was told by people knowing him that the quality

\r?\n> of his work

\r?\n> varied. He ran a 1-man bikeshop and built his frames at the

\r?\n> same times.

\r?\n> So when a customer showed up he stopped brazing and took

\r?\n> cre of the

\r?\n> customer. This might have influenced the quality of his

\r?\n> work soemtimes.

\r?\n> As far as I know the bike was bought in Cologne where

\r?\n> Schmidt worked.

\r?\n> His bikes are more often seen in the Cologne-area, he had a

\r?\n> more local

\r?\n> reputation.

\r?\n> The offering of the bike on ebay.com effected the prize

\r?\n> (the bike was

\r?\n> not sold the second time) since obviously the market for

\r?\n> german bikes is

\r?\n> in Germany and american collectors do not appreciate that

\r?\n> kind of bikes.

\r?\n> If it was offered from Germany, the asking prize sure could

\r?\n> be ralized,

\r?\n> since german collectors like those kind of bikes from small

\r?\n> german

\r?\n> builders.

\r?\n> Just recently on  germany's classic Tour-Forum an

\r?\n> american seller asked

\r?\n> for details about his german Lüders bike (another small

\r?\n> german builder)

\r?\n> in order to sell it. Also this bike did not fetch the

\r?\n> desired price

\r?\n> although it was a really high quality frame.

\r?\n> If the Schmidt on ebay was my size I would have thought

\r?\n> about buying it,

\r?\n> since the price was right although the shipping would be

\r?\n> the setback.

\r?\n> Regards

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Michael Schmid

\r?\n> Oberammergau

\r?\n> Germany

\r?\n> Tel.: +49 8821 798790

\r?\n> Fax.:+49 8821 798791

\r?\n> mail: schmid@zunterer.com

\r?\n> http://www.zunterer.com

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----

\r?\n> Von: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org

\r?\n> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org]

\r?\n> Im Auftrag von Steven M.

\r?\n> Johnson

\r?\n> Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Januar 2010 01:34

\r?\n> An: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

\r?\n> Betreff: Re: [CR] German bike on ebay: set up for zero-dish

\r?\n> rear wheel

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Thanks for this post, I have a book from the early 80s

\r?\n> showing this as a

\r?\n> custom feature from a builder in Germany. I am thinking the

\r?\n> book

\r?\n> attributed it to Kahlkoff.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Even more interesting is that one of these bikes made it to

\r?\n> the US. The

\r?\n> Mark was at an all time low against the dollar during the

\r?\n> Reagan years

\r?\n> 84-85. (I was getting married and passed up on that BMW

\r?\n> Paris Dakar

\r?\n> motorcycle and really cool cyclo-cross frames in a

\r?\n> Nuremberg bike shop.)

\r?\n>

\r?\n> I have seen several domestic market low end German Hercules

\r?\n> (made in

\r?\n> Nuremberg, not the same as the English Hercules) here in

\r?\n> thrift shops in

\r?\n> the DC area. The only way they made it into the US was

\r?\n> shipped in

\r?\n> household goods for military personnel. They were never

\r?\n> sold in the US.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> I am still waiting for someone to put a scan of an early

\r?\n> 80s Brugelman's

\r?\n> [sp?] bike catalog online.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Steven Johnson

\r?\n> Millersville, MD

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Marcus wrote:

\r?\n> Someone else outed this a day or two ago, but I did not see

\r?\n> any comments

\r?\n> on it. ebay item 160393636866

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Best regards,

\r?\n> Marcus Helman

\r?\n> Detroit, MI

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

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