Message-ID: <3A265AC2.9AC06B14@penn.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:48:53 -0500 From: Jerry Moos <moos@penn.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mary Pfeiffer <maryp@pfeifferpframes.com> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Re: 1970's Peugeot UO8 - is it worth it? References: <CATFOODxsPtIfONZmQS0000103d@catfood.nt.phred.org> <001901c05a7d$f3c28fc0$0400a8c0@MaryPfeiffer> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------730E2D3E5FC1178D6C725E69"
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The UO-8 was, in my opinion, a good entry level recreational bike and really not bad for long distance touring, though a bit too heavy for any competitive riding. The UO-8 was my first "10 speed" in 1972 and once I replaced the junky Simplex Prestige derailleurs with Shimano Titlist, the bike was quite enjoyable. That said, it is not collectable, and one could probably never sell one for more than $100, with $50 probably more typical. If he rechromed the crank, he has probably already spent more than he'll ever recover. The only reason to fully restore one would be sentimental attachment to a bike from one's youth.
Regards,
Jerry Moos
Mary Pfeiffer wrote:
> I have a customer that is considering restoring a Peugeot UO8 (mid 1970's).
> He is uncertain about the value of it once it is restored and whether it
> would be worth the cost. He has already polished and rechromed the 3 arm
> cotter cranks, Mafac center pull brakes and the Simplex Nylon derailleurs.
> Can anyone give me any information or feedback I can pass on to him.
> I can easily reproduce the decals and yellow paint job.
>
> Mary Pfeiffer
> Custom Frames, Frame Painting and Repairs
> maryp@pfeifferpframes.com
> http://www.pfeifferpframes.com
> 864-639-1194 or 864-654-1194
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 7:32 PM
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Re: More fun pics... NOT for sale! (Richard Rose)
> > 2. Eugene sloans book / Olmo / Mystery Frame?????????????
> (brian blum)
> > 3. Re: FS: Classic VAR truing stand (Robb Rasmussen)
> > 4. Wanted: Atala Headbadge? (Chris Beyer)
> > 5. recycling those old italian bikes (Aldo Ross)
> > 6. "Cotters" for old T.A. cranks available again. (Sheldon Brown)
> > 7. Re: Eugene sloans book / Olmo / Mystery Frame?????????????
> (Richard M Sachs)
> > 8. Atala (brian blum)
> > 9. RE: More e-bay comments (Charles Andrews)
> > 10. Re: More fun pics... NOT for sale! (Jerry Moos)
> > 11. Straightening bent chainrings (again) (Charles T. Young)
> > 12. Re: Atala (PeterGrenader)
> > 13. Re: Atala (Joseph Bender-Zanoni)
> > 14. Re: BSA jamming tool (Joseph Bender-Zanoni)
> > 15. Re: Atala (brian blum)
> > 16. St. Louis area shop (philcycles@aol.com)
> > 17. Re: Atala and "Schwinn Approved" plus
> > commercial (Joseph Bender-Zanoni)
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 1
> > From: "Richard Rose" <rmrose@toast.net>
> > To: <OROBOYZ@aol.com>, <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] More fun pics... NOT for sale!
> > Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 03:08:16 -0500
> >
> > Wow, perhaps the pics are misleading but those sure do not look like they
> > are in need of restoration! Look perfect as is - at least I would take
> them
> > as is.
> > Nice.
> > Richard (the Holdsworth is my favorite), Rose
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <OROBOYZ@aol.com>
> > To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 1:48 PM
> > Subject: [Classicrendezvous] More fun pics... NOT for sale!
> >
> >
> > > Three beauties came in the same afternoon. Shown sitting so cool on the
> > CDO
> > > counter...Joy joy!
> > >
> > > http://albums.photopoint.com/
> > >
> > > "Why, Thanks for looking" (Arggh! I hate that, don't you?)
> > >
> > > Dale Brown
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 2
> > From: "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com>
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:19:40
> > Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Eugene sloans book / Olmo / Mystery
> Frame?????????????
> >
> > I picked up an old repainted bike last night. It had a seat cluster
> simular
> > to the bike pictured on the back cover of the original "The Complete Book
> of
> > Bicycling" (it was a blue frame only the rear half shown). The bike I
> > obtained has brazed on cable stops so it has no housing on the top tube.
> It
> > also has a double slotted BB shell, Campy Dropouts, Short rake fork with a
> > crown profile simular to the Raleigh International with the long middle
> > tougue. Very short lugs sockets hybid head lugs a hybrid of Colnago lugs
> > with extra details (morphing toward Nervex Pro Lugs). I could not resist.
> It
> > was fitted with non original SR frt and rear derailleurs, record crank,
> > brakes and H/S, Simplex retrofriction levers and jap assorted. 70mm BB
> > fluted chainstays. What could it be? Owner said some had speculated
> Olmo.
> > And what is the gorgeous Blue bike on The Complete Book of Bicycling?
> JPEGS
> > WILL eventually come.
> >
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> _________
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 3
> > From: "Robb Rasmussen" <bikeshop@ispchannel.com>
> > To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] FS: Classic VAR truing stand
> > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:32:28 -0600
> >
> > Classic listers.
> >
> > Two VAR truing stands have been our everyday
> > users (one is the cheaper model) in my
> > store since 1977.
> >
> > Robb Rasmussen
> > Sioux River Cyclery
> > 501 Main Ave
> > Brookings, SD 57006 http://www.501main.com
> >
> > : Classic VAR truing stand
> >
> >
> > > Classicists,
> > > I came into a beautiful, old thing, perfectly functional and
> > > once belonging to a Mavic Service Course mechanic who said it
> > > was just perfect at its task. It's a VAR truing stand with
> > > twin adjustments, made of steel. If you know what this is,
> > > you know it is a thing to behold and to use.
> > > $200 is the asking price.
> > > I hope to have pictures soon but I thought I would mention
> > > it here in case anyone would like first dibs before it goes
> > > to auction.
> > > I'll be selling it for palBrett so there is nothing in
> > > this for me but to pass along a fine old tool.
> > >
> > > Douglas Brooks
> > > Canandaigua, NY
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:28:38 -0500
> > From: Chris Beyer <beyerc@mailserver.volvo.com>
> > To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Wanted: Atala Headbadge?
> >
> > Hey, Y'all:
> >
> > A friend of mine has a bike which he dearly loves (it actually fits
> > him!) which the seller stated to be an Atala, although it has been
> > repainted and is devoid of all markings. Martin would like to find a
> > headbadge. Anone in possession of one who would like to part with it
> > is encouraged to reply to me off-list.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Chris Beyer
> > Snow Tomorrow (!!?) in Bloomfield, NJ
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 5
> > From: "Aldo Ross" <swampmtn@siscom.net>
> > To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:59:48 -0500
> > Subject: [Classicrendezvous] recycling those old italian bikes
> >
> > (I found this on the Pro Cycling website - I'd love to sort through those
> > trailers each night! Aldo Ross)
> >
> > .....So can an old bicycle really contribute to improving the
> infrastructure
> > of an entire nation? Perhaps not, but this is the stated brief of an
> > ingenious humanitarian initiative recently unveiled by Italian sport's
> > newspaper "la Gazzetta dello Sport"" in collaboration with the 2001 Giro
> d'
> > Italia.
> >
> > At the end of the international cycling season a collection of used
> bicycles
> > donated by cycling fans, pundits and even professional riders will be
> > dispatched to Burkina Faso, where they will serve as a means of transport
> > for instructors and community workers in rural areas. The Giro d'Italia
> will
> > be the centrepiece of the project, with spectators invited to consign used
> > machines to "Rebicycling" trailers stationed in hospitality villages on
> > every stage of the race.
> >
> > "Rebicycling" is the brainchild of renowned Italian explorer and navigator
> > Giovanni Soldini, whose rusting old Bianchi will be among the first
> > contributions to the charity when it is officially launched at the Milan
> > San-Remo race next spring:
> >
> > "I think that it's a fantastic idea, and my old bike is ready to be
> donated!
> > I just hope that it be useful to someone, or at least make someone happy."
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:45:35 -0500
> > To: internet-bob@bikelist.org (INTERNET BOB),
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > From: Sheldon Brown <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com>
> > Subject: [Classicrendezvous] "Cotters" for old T.A. cranks available
> again.
> >
> > Early T.A. cranks used unusual teardrop-shaped axles and special
> > bolts/bushings that resembled cotter pins, but were not the same as
> > cotter pins. These "jeux de grain" bolt sets have been unavailable
> > for several years, but I have arranged to get T.A. to do another
> > production run. These are now in stock, for those who need them.
> >
> > http://sheldonbrown.com/
> >
> > Sheldon "Weird Stuff" Brown
> > Newtonville, Massachusetts
> > +------------------------------------+
> > | France, France...if not for you, |
> > | the world would be alone! |
> > | --Victor Hugo |
> > +------------------------------------+
> > Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
> > Phone 617-244-9772, 617-244-1040, FAX 617-244-1041
> > http://harriscyclery.com
> > Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
> > http://captainbike.com
> > Useful articles about bicycles and cycling
> > http://sheldonbrown.com
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 7
> > To: brianblum@hotmail.com
> > Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:06:09 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Eugene sloans book / Olmo /
> Mystery Frame?????????????
> > From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com>
> >
> > if i recall, it was an atala 101.
> > e-RICHIE
> >
> > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:19:40 "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com> writes:
> > > I picked up an old repainted bike last night. It had a seat cluster
> > > simular
> > > to the bike pictured on the back cover of the original "The Complete
> > > Book of
> > > Bicycling" (it was a blue frame only the rear half shown). The bike
> > > I
> > > obtained has brazed on cable stops so it has no housing on the top
> > > tube. It
> > > also has a double slotted BB shell, Campy Dropouts, Short rake fork
> > > with a
> > > crown profile simular to the Raleigh International with the long
> > > middle
> > > tougue. Very short lugs sockets hybid head lugs a hybrid of Colnago
> > > lugs
> > > with extra details (morphing toward Nervex Pro Lugs). I could not
> > > resist. It
> > > was fitted with non original SR frt and rear derailleurs, record
> > > crank,
> > > brakes and H/S, Simplex retrofriction levers and jap assorted. 70mm
> > > BB
> > > fluted chainstays. What could it be? Owner said some had
> > > speculated Olmo.
> > > And what is the gorgeous Blue bike on The Complete Book of
> > > Bicycling? JPEGS
> > > WILL eventually come.
> > >
> > _________________________________________________________________________
> > ____________
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 8
> > From: "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com>
> > To: richardsachs@juno.com
> > Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:29:44
> > Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Atala
> >
> > That was my next question, why are there no Atala fans? They were quite
> > popular back in the late 60's was the quality not as good as Bianchi? I
> > liked the chrome.
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com>
> > To: brianblum@hotmail.com
> > CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Eugene sloans book / Olmo /
> Mystery
> > Frame?????????????
> > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:06:09 -0500
> >
> > if i recall, it was an atala 101.
> > e-RICHIE
> >
> > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:19:40 "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com> writes:
> > > I picked up an old repainted bike last night. It had a seat cluster
> > > simular
> > > to the bike pictured on the back cover of the original "The Complete
> > > Book of
> > > Bicycling" (it was a blue frame only the rear half shown). The bike
> > > I
> > > obtained has brazed on cable stops so it has no housing on the top
> > > tube. It
> > > also has a double slotted BB shell, Campy Dropouts, Short rake fork
> > > with a
> > > crown profile simular to the Raleigh International with the long
> > > middle
> > > tougue. Very short lugs sockets hybid head lugs a hybrid of Colnago
> > > lugs
> > > with extra details (morphing toward Nervex Pro Lugs). I could not
> > > resist. It
> > > was fitted with non original SR frt and rear derailleurs, record
> > > crank,
> > > brakes and H/S, Simplex retrofriction levers and jap assorted. 70mm
> > > BB
> > > fluted chainstays. What could it be? Owner said some had
> > > speculated Olmo.
> > > And what is the gorgeous Blue bike on The Complete Book of
> > > Bicycling? JPEGS
> > > WILL eventually come.
> > >
> > _________________________________________________________________________
> > ____________
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Classicrendezvous mailing list
> > > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > > http://www.bikelist.org/
> >
> >
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> _________
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 9
> > From: Charles Andrews <chasa@classicalradio.org>
> > To: "'classicrendezvous@bikelist.org'" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Subject: RE: [Classicrendezvous] More e-bay comments
> > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:52:51 -0800
> >
> > Can someone tell us what the factory-specified maximum-tooth-count for the
> > rear cog is for the Superbe?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Charles Andrews
> > Los Angeles
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Joseph Bender-Zanoni [mailto:jfbender@umich.edu]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 12:07 AM
> > > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > > Subject: [Classicrendezvous] More e-bay comments
> > >
> > >
> > > This first generation Superbe is arguably the finest
> > > derailleur ever made.
> > > Who says there are no deals out there - $9.95 in pretty good
> > > shape. Alloy
> > > hanger bolt, slant pantograph, more rugged than a Cyclone and
> > > without the
> > > pain in the neck cable routing.
> > >
> > > These are not all that common either.
> > >
> > http://ebay.com/
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:35:08 -0500
> > From: Jerry Moos <moos@penn.com>
> > To: OROBOYZ@aol.com
> > CC: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] More fun pics... NOT for sale!
> >
> > Incoming restorations? Why would these need restoration?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jerry Moos
> >
> > OROBOYZ@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > Three beauties came in the same afternoon. Shown sitting so cool on the
> CDO
> > > counter...Joy joy!
> > >
> > > http://albums.photopoint.com/
> > >
> > > "Why, Thanks for looking" (Arggh! I hate that, don't you?)
> > >
> > > Dale Brown
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 11
> > From: "Charles T. Young" <youngc@netreach.net>
> > To: "Classicrendezvous" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:30:35 -0500
> > Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Straightening bent chainrings (again)
> >
> > Folks:
> >
> > I apparently deleted the advice given recently on how to straighten bent =
> > chainrings. I've a recently acquired Italvega with a Stronglight 49D =
> > crankset. I'd like to take a shot at straightening the chainrings before =
> > looking for replacements. I'd appreciate it if someone could forward the =
> > tips previously provided. Off list is fine.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Charlie (in rainy weather with a bit of late season lightning) West =
> > Chester, PA
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 12
> > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:43:34 -0700
> > From: PeterGrenader <peterg@ixpres.com>
> > To: brian blum <brianblum@hotmail.com>
> > CC: richardsachs@juno.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Atala
> >
> > I liked the head angle - 75 DEGREES, bay-bay
> >
> > peter
> > LA
> >
> > brian blum wrote:
> >
> > > That was my next question, why are there no Atala fans? They were quite
> > > popular back in the late 60's was the quality not as good as Bianchi? I
> > > liked the chrome.
> > >
> > > ----Original Message Follows----
> > > From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com>
> > > To: brianblum@hotmail.com
> > > CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Eugene sloans book / Olmo /
> Mystery
> > > Frame?????????????
> > > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:06:09 -0500
> > >
> > > if i recall, it was an atala 101.
> > > e-RICHIE
> > >
> > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:19:40 "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com>
> writes:
> > > > I picked up an old repainted bike last night. It had a seat cluster
> > > > simular
> > > > to the bike pictured on the back cover of the original "The Complete
> > > > Book of
> > > > Bicycling" (it was a blue frame only the rear half shown). The bike
> > > > I
> > > > obtained has brazed on cable stops so it has no housing on the top
> > > > tube. It
> > > > also has a double slotted BB shell, Campy Dropouts, Short rake fork
> > > > with a
> > > > crown profile simular to the Raleigh International with the long
> > > > middle
> > > > tougue. Very short lugs sockets hybid head lugs a hybrid of Colnago
> > > > lugs
> > > > with extra details (morphing toward Nervex Pro Lugs). I could not
> > > > resist. It
> > > > was fitted with non original SR frt and rear derailleurs, record
> > > > crank,
> > > > brakes and H/S, Simplex retrofriction levers and jap assorted. 70mm
> > > > BB
> > > > fluted chainstays. What could it be? Owner said some had
> > > > speculated Olmo.
> > > > And what is the gorgeous Blue bike on The Complete Book of
> > > > Bicycling? JPEGS
> > > > WILL eventually come.
> > > >
> > >
> _________________________________________________________________________
> > > ____________
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Classicrendezvous mailing list
> > > > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > > > http://www.bikelist.org/
> > >
> > >
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> _________
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:40:34 -0800
> > To: "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com>, richardsachs@juno.com
> > From: Joseph Bender-Zanoni <jfbender@umich.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Atala
> > Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >
> > I think top level Atalas and Bottechias were OK bikes but I remember
> > swearing over the low line bikes with things like chainlines from hell
> that
> > would throw chains with any possible adjustment. My first impressions of
> > lower line Italian bikes came from these and I summarized the attitude as
> > "if you can't afford a good bike then go to hell".
> >
> > The concept from trademark law is tarnishment. Basically they tarnished
> > their own brand because of the quality spread across the line of bikes.
> >
> > Even worse was Chiorda. I have never heard of a Chiorda fan but the top
> > bike was all Campy etc.
> >
> > Joe Bender-Zanoni
> >
> >
> >
> > At 10:29 PM 11/29/00, brian blum wrote:
> > >That was my next question, why are there no Atala fans? They were quite
> > >popular back in the late 60's was the quality not as good as Bianchi? I
> > >liked the chrome.
> > >
> > >
> > >----Original Message Follows----
> > >From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com>
> > >To: brianblum@hotmail.com
> > >CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > >Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Eugene sloans book / Olmo /
> Mystery
> > > Frame?????????????
> > >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:06:09 -0500
> > >
> > >if i recall, it was an atala 101.
> > >e-RICHIE
> > >
> > >On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:19:40 "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com> writes:
> > > > I picked up an old repainted bike last night. It had a seat cluster
> > > > simular
> > > > to the bike pictured on the back cover of the original "The Complete
> > > > Book of
> > > > Bicycling" (it was a blue frame only the rear half shown). The bike
> > > > I
> > > > obtained has brazed on cable stops so it has no housing on the top
> > > > tube. It
> > > > also has a double slotted BB shell, Campy Dropouts, Short rake fork
> > > > with a
> > > > crown profile simular to the Raleigh International with the long
> > > > middle
> > > > tougue. Very short lugs sockets hybid head lugs a hybrid of Colnago
> > > > lugs
> > > > with extra details (morphing toward Nervex Pro Lugs). I could not
> > > > resist. It
> > > > was fitted with non original SR frt and rear derailleurs, record
> > > > crank,
> > > > brakes and H/S, Simplex retrofriction levers and jap assorted. 70mm
> > > > BB
> > > > fluted chainstays. What could it be? Owner said some had
> > > > speculated Olmo.
> > > > And what is the gorgeous Blue bike on The Complete Book of
> > > > Bicycling? JPEGS
> > > > WILL eventually come.
> > > >
> > >_________________________________________________________________________
> > >____________
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > >
> >
> >___________________________________________________________________________
> > __________
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 14
> > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:47:22 -0800
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > From: Joseph Bender-Zanoni <jfbender@umich.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] BSA jamming tool
> > <20001128.154149.-190351.5.richardsachs@juno.com>
> >
> > The seller from New Zealand has a second BSA jamming tool if anyone wants
> > one. Figure $10 shipped.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > At 09:19 PM 3/28/00 -0800, Joseph Bender-Zanoni wrote:
> > >I was really pleased to get this BSA "spanner", AKA jamming tool, for
> > >madisons and six-days.
> >
> >http://ebay.com/<blah>
> 58
> >
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 15
> > From: "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com>
> > To: jfbender@umich.edu
> > Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Atala
> > Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:11:34
> >
> > Actually I have a fully Campagnolo Chiorda that is a very nice riding and
> > well put together bike. Somehow the Paramounts survived the Continentals
> and
> > Varsities that was probably 90% of there sales volume for Schwinn in the
> > early 70's???? BrIANCHIlly in Berkeley
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: Joseph Bender-Zanoni <jfbender@umich.edu>
> > To: "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com>, richardsachs@juno.com
> > CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Atala
> > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:40:34 -0800
> >
> > I think top level Atalas and Bottechias were OK bikes but I remember
> > swearing over the low line bikes with things like chainlines from hell
> that
> > would throw chains with any possible adjustment. My first impressions of
> > lower line Italian bikes came from these and I summarized the attitude as
> > "if you can't afford a good bike then go to hell".
> >
> > The concept from trademark law is tarnishment. Basically they tarnished
> > their own brand because of the quality spread across the line of bikes.
> >
> > Even worse was Chiorda. I have never heard of a Chiorda fan but the top
> > bike was all Campy etc.
> >
> > Joe Bender-Zanoni
> >
> >
> >
> > At 10:29 PM 11/29/00, brian blum wrote:
> > >That was my next question, why are there no Atala fans? They were quite
> > >popular back in the late 60's was the quality not as good as Bianchi? I
> > >liked the chrome.
> > >
> > >
> > >----Original Message Follows----
> > >From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com>
> > >To: brianblum@hotmail.com
> > >CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > >Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Eugene sloans book / Olmo /
> > Mystery
> > > Frame?????????????
> > >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:06:09 -0500
> > >
> > >if i recall, it was an atala 101.
> > >e-RICHIE
> > >
> > >On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:19:40 "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com>
> writes:
> > > > I picked up an old repainted bike last night. It had a seat cluster
> > > > simular
> > > > to the bike pictured on the back cover of the original "The Complete
> > > > Book of
> > > > Bicycling" (it was a blue frame only the rear half shown). The bike
> > > > I
> > > > obtained has brazed on cable stops so it has no housing on the top
> > > > tube. It
> > > > also has a double slotted BB shell, Campy Dropouts, Short rake fork
> > > > with a
> > > > crown profile simular to the Raleigh International with the long
> > > > middle
> > > > tougue. Very short lugs sockets hybid head lugs a hybrid of Colnago
> > > > lugs
> > > > with extra details (morphing toward Nervex Pro Lugs). I could not
> > > > resist. It
> > > > was fitted with non original SR frt and rear derailleurs, record
> > > > crank,
> > > > brakes and H/S, Simplex retrofriction levers and jap assorted. 70mm
> > > > BB
> > > > fluted chainstays. What could it be? Owner said some had
> > > > speculated Olmo.
> > > > And what is the gorgeous Blue bike on The Complete Book of
> > > > Bicycling? JPEGS
> > > > WILL eventually come.
> > > >
> >
> >_________________________________________________________________________
> > >____________
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Classicrendezvous mailing list
> > > > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > > > http://www.bikelist.org/
> > >
> >
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> > __________
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
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> > >Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > >http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> _________
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 16
> > From: Philcycles@aol.com
> > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:12:53 EST
> > To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: [Classicrendezvous] St. Louis area shop
> >
> > Some weeks ago there was mention of an excellent shop in the St. Louis
> area,
> > perhaps a Mercian importer. Could someone email me with the name?
> > Phil Brown
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 17
> > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:24:22 -0800
> > To: "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com>
> > From: Joseph Bender-Zanoni <jfbender@umich.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Atala and "Schwinn Approved" plus
> > commercial
> > Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >
> > Ah but a Varsity is a wonderful thing in terms of quality. Consistent,
> > reliable. It worked. See Sheldon's site about the electroformed frame
> > process. The consistency of the Schwinn product and what it stood for
> > across the line is remarkable.
> >
> > My point about the Chiorda is that you have the good one and it is fine,
> > but the lesser bikes were painful and they hurt their image.
> >
> > And now a special "Schwinn Approved" offering. Toe straps. White. NOS
> (some
> > have a little rust on the buckles. Made in Italy. Schwinn Sprint $2.
> > Schwinn Approved $4. Plus shipping ($1-$3.20). Delivery may slide to
> January.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > At 12:11 AM 11/30/00, brian blum wrote:
> > >Actually I have a fully Campagnolo Chiorda that is a very nice riding and
> > >well put together bike. Somehow the Paramounts survived the Continentals
> and
> > >Varsities that was probably 90% of there sales volume for Schwinn in the
> > >early 70's???? BrIANCHIlly in Berkeley
> > >
> > >
> > >----Original Message Follows----
> > >From: Joseph Bender-Zanoni <jfbender@umich.edu>
> > >To: "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com>, richardsachs@juno.com
> > >CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > >Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Atala
> > >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:40:34 -0800
> > >
> > >I think top level Atalas and Bottechias were OK bikes but I remember
> > >swearing over the low line bikes with things like chainlines from hell
> that
> > >would throw chains with any possible adjustment. My first impressions of
> > >lower line Italian bikes came from these and I summarized the attitude as
> > >"if you can't afford a good bike then go to hell".
> > >
> > >The concept from trademark law is tarnishment. Basically they tarnished
> > >their own brand because of the quality spread across the line of bikes.
> > >
> > >Even worse was Chiorda. I have never heard of a Chiorda fan but the top
> > >bike was all Campy etc.
> > >
> > >Joe Bender-Zanoni
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 10:29 PM 11/29/00, brian blum wrote:
> > > >That was my next question, why are there no Atala fans? They were quite
> > > >popular back in the late 60's was the quality not as good as Bianchi? I
> > > >liked the chrome.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----Original Message Follows----
> > > >From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com>
> > > >To: brianblum@hotmail.com
> > > >CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > > >Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Eugene sloans book / Olmo /
> > >Mystery
> > > > Frame?????????????
> > > >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:06:09 -0500
> > > >
> > > >if i recall, it was an atala 101.
> > > >e-RICHIE
> > > >
> > > >On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:19:40 "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com>
> writes:
> > > > > I picked up an old repainted bike last night. It had a seat cluster
> > > > > simular
> > > > > to the bike pictured on the back cover of the original "The Complete
> > > > > Book of
> > > > > Bicycling" (it was a blue frame only the rear half shown). The bike
> > > > > I
> > > > > obtained has brazed on cable stops so it has no housing on the top
> > > > > tube. It
> > > > > also has a double slotted BB shell, Campy Dropouts, Short rake fork
> > > > > with a
> > > > > crown profile simular to the Raleigh International with the long
> > > > > middle
> > > > > tougue. Very short lugs sockets hybid head lugs a hybrid of Colnago
> > > > > lugs
> > > > > with extra details (morphing toward Nervex Pro Lugs). I could not
> > > > > resist. It
> > > > > was fitted with non original SR frt and rear derailleurs, record
> > > > > crank,
> > > > > brakes and H/S, Simplex retrofriction levers and jap assorted. 70mm
> > > > > BB
> > > > > fluted chainstays. What could it be? Owner said some had
> > > > > speculated Olmo.
> > > > > And what is the gorgeous Blue bike on The Complete Book of
> > > > > Bicycling? JPEGS
> > > > > WILL eventually come.
> > > > >
> > >
> >_________________________________________________________________________
> > > >____________
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > >
> > >
> >___________________________________________________________________________
> > >__________
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >_______________________________________________
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >___________________________________________________________________________
> > __________
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> > End of Classicrendezvous Digest
>
> _______________________________________________
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<HTML> The UO-8 was, in my opinion, a good entry level recreational bike and really not bad for long distance touring, though a bit too heavy for any competitive riding. The UO-8 was my first "10 speed" in 1972 and once I replaced the junky Simplex Prestige derailleurs with Shimano Titlist, the bike was quite enjoyable. That said, it is not collectable, and one could probably never sell one for more than $100, with $50 probably more typical. If he rechromed the crank, he has probably already spent more than he'll ever recover. The only reason to fully restore one would be sentimental attachment to a bike from one's youth.
<P>Regards,
<P>Jerry Moos
<P>Mary Pfeiffer wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>I have a customer that is considering restoring a Peugeot UO8 (mid 1970's). <BR>He is uncertain about the value of it once it is restored and whether it <BR>would be worth the cost. He has already polished and rechromed the 3 arm <BR>cotter cranks, Mafac center pull brakes and the Simplex Nylon derailleurs. <BR>Can anyone give me any information or feedback I can pass on to him. <BR>I can easily reproduce the decals and yellow paint job.
<P>Mary Pfeiffer <BR>Custom Frames, Frame Painting and Repairs <BR>maryp@pfeifferpframes.com <BR>www.pfeifferpframes.com <BR>864-639-1194 or 864-654-1194
<P>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: <classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org> <BR>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> <BR>Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 7:32 PM <BR>Subject: Classicrendezvous digest, Vol 1 #153 - 18 msgs
<P>> <BR>> Send Classicrendezvous mailing list submissions to <BR>> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> <BR>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit <BR>> <A HREF="http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous">http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous</A> <BR>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <BR>> classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org <BR>> You can reach the person managing the list at <BR>> classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org <BR>> <BR>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than <BR>> "Re: Contents of Classicrendezvous digest..." <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Today's Topics: <BR>> <BR>> 1. Re: More fun pics... NOT for sale! (Richard Rose) <BR>> 2. Eugene sloans book / Olmo / Mystery Frame????????????? <BR>(brian blum) <BR>> 3. Re: FS: Classic VAR truing stand (Robb Rasmussen) <BR>> 4. Wanted: Atala Headbadge? (Chris Beyer) <BR>> 5. recycling those old italian bikes (Aldo Ross) <BR>> 6. "Cotters" for old T.A. cranks available again. (Sheldon Brown) <BR>> 7. Re: Eugene sloans book / Olmo / Mystery Frame????????????? <BR>(Richard M Sachs) <BR>> 8. Atala (brian blum) <BR>> 9. RE: More e-bay comments (Charles Andrews) <BR>> 10. Re: More fun pics... NOT for sale! (Jerry Moos) <BR>> 11. Straightening bent chainrings (again) (Charles T. Young) <BR>> 12. Re: Atala (PeterGrenader) <BR>> 13. Re: Atala (Joseph Bender-Zanoni) <BR>> 14. Re: BSA jamming tool (Joseph Bender-Zanoni) <BR>> 15. Re: Atala (brian blum) <BR>> 16. St. Louis area shop (philcycles@aol.com) <BR>> 17. Re: Atala and "Schwinn Approved" plus <BR>> commercial (Joseph Bender-Zanoni) <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 1 <BR>> From: "Richard Rose" <rmrose@toast.net> <BR>> To: <OROBOYZ@aol.com>, <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> <BR>> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] More fun pics... NOT for sale! <BR>> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 03:08:16 -0500 <BR>> <BR>> Wow, perhaps the pics are misleading but those sure do not look like they <BR>> are in need of restoration! Look perfect as is - at least I would take <BR>them <BR>> as is. <BR>> Nice. <BR>> Richard (the Holdsworth is my favorite), Rose <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: <OROBOYZ@aol.com> <BR>> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> <BR>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 1:48 PM <BR>> Subject: [Classicrendezvous] More fun pics... NOT for sale! <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > Three beauties came in the same afternoon. Shown sitting so cool on the <BR>> CDO <BR>> > counter...Joy joy! <BR>> > <BR>> > <A HREF="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1273125&a=10218875">http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1273125&a=10218875</A> <BR>> > <BR>> > "Why, Thanks for looking" (Arggh! I hate that, don't you?) <BR>> > <BR>> > Dale Brown <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > _______________________________________________ <BR>> > Classicrendezvous mailing list <BR>> > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> > <A HREF="http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous">http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous</A> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 2 <BR>> From: "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com> <BR>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:19:40 <BR>> Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Eugene sloans book / Olmo / Mystery <BR>Frame????????????? <BR>> <BR>> I picked up an old repainted bike last night. It had a seat cluster <BR>simular <BR>> to the bike pictured on the back cover of the original "The Complete Book <BR>of <BR>> Bicycling" (it was a blue frame only the rear half shown). The bike I <BR>> obtained has brazed on cable stops so it has no housing on the top tube. <BR>It <BR>> also has a double slotted BB shell, Campy Dropouts, Short rake fork with a <BR>> crown profile simular to the Raleigh International with the long middle <BR>> tougue. Very short lugs sockets hybid head lugs a hybrid of Colnago lugs <BR>> with extra details (morphing toward Nervex Pro Lugs). I could not resist. <BR>It <BR>> was fitted with non original SR frt and rear derailleurs, record crank, <BR>> brakes and H/S, Simplex retrofriction levers and jap assorted. 70mm BB <BR>> fluted chainstays. What could it be? Owner said some had speculated <BR>Olmo. <BR>> And what is the gorgeous Blue bike on The Complete Book of Bicycling? <BR>JPEGS <BR>> WILL eventually come. <BR>> <BR>____________________________________________________________________________ <BR>_________
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 3 <BR>> From: "Robb Rasmussen" <bikeshop@ispchannel.com> <BR>> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> <BR>> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] FS: Classic VAR truing stand <BR>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:32:28 -0600 <BR>> <BR>> Classic listers. <BR>> <BR>> Two VAR truing stands have been our everyday <BR>> users (one is the cheaper model) in my <BR>> store since 1977. <BR>> <BR>> Robb Rasmussen <BR>> Sioux River Cyclery <BR>> 501 Main Ave <BR>> Brookings, SD 57006 http://www.501main.com <BR>> <BR>> : Classic VAR truing stand <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > Classicists, <BR>> > I came into a beautiful, old thing, perfectly functional and <BR>> > once belonging to a Mavic Service Course mechanic who said it <BR>> > was just perfect at its task. It's a VAR truing stand with <BR>> > twin adjustments, made of steel. If you know what this is, <BR>> > you know it is a thing to behold and to use. <BR>> > $200 is the asking price. <BR>> > I hope to have pictures soon but I thought I would mention <BR>> > it here in case anyone would like first dibs before it goes <BR>> > to auction. <BR>> > I'll be selling it for palBrett so there is nothing in <BR>> > this for me but to pass along a fine old tool. <BR>> > <BR>> > Douglas Brooks <BR>> > Canandaigua, NY <BR>> > <BR>> > _______________________________________________ <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 4 <BR>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:28:38 -0500 <BR>> From: Chris Beyer <beyerc@mailserver.volvo.com> <BR>> To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> <BR>> Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Wanted: Atala Headbadge? <BR>> <BR>> Hey, Y'all: <BR>> <BR>> A friend of mine has a bike which he dearly loves (it actually fits <BR>> him!) which the seller stated to be an Atala, although it has been <BR>> repainted and is devoid of all markings. Martin would like to find a <BR>> headbadge. Anone in possession of one who would like to part with it <BR>> is encouraged to reply to me off-list. <BR>> <BR>> Thanks, <BR>> <BR>> Chris Beyer <BR>> Snow Tomorrow (!!?) in Bloomfield, NJ <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 5 <BR>> From: "Aldo Ross" <swampmtn@siscom.net> <BR>> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> <BR>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:59:48 -0500 <BR>> Subject: [Classicrendezvous] recycling those old italian bikes <BR>> <BR>> (I found this on the Pro Cycling website - I'd love to sort through those <BR>> trailers each night! Aldo Ross) <BR>> <BR>> .....So can an old bicycle really contribute to improving the <BR>infrastructure <BR>> of an entire nation? Perhaps not, but this is the stated brief of an <BR>> ingenious humanitarian initiative recently unveiled by Italian sport's <BR>> newspaper "la Gazzetta dello Sport"" in collaboration with the 2001 Giro <BR>d' <BR>> Italia. <BR>> <BR>> At the end of the international cycling season a collection of used <BR>bicycles <BR>> donated by cycling fans, pundits and even professional riders will be <BR>> dispatched to Burkina Faso, where they will serve as a means of transport <BR>> for instructors and community workers in rural areas. The Giro d'Italia <BR>will <BR>> be the centrepiece of the project, with spectators invited to consign used <BR>> machines to "Rebicycling" trailers stationed in hospitality villages on <BR>> every stage of the race. <BR>> <BR>> "Rebicycling" is the brainchild of renowned Italian explorer and navigator <BR>> Giovanni Soldini, whose rusting old Bianchi will be among the first <BR>> contributions to the charity when it is officially launched at the Milan <BR>> San-Remo race next spring: <BR>> <BR>> "I think that it's a fantastic idea, and my old bike is ready to be <BR>donated! <BR>> I just hope that it be useful to someone, or at least make someone happy." <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 6 <BR>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:45:35 -0500 <BR>> To: internet-bob@bikelist.org (INTERNET BOB), <BR>classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> From: Sheldon Brown <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com> <BR>> Subject: [Classicrendezvous] "Cotters" for old T.A. cranks available <BR>again. <BR>> <BR>> Early T.A. cranks used unusual teardrop-shaped axles and special <BR>> bolts/bushings that resembled cotter pins, but were not the same as <BR>> cotter pins. These "jeux de grain" bolt sets have been unavailable <BR>> for several years, but I have arranged to get T.A. to do another <BR>> production run. These are now in stock, for those who need them. <BR>> <BR>> <A HREF="http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/french-cranks.html#cotters">http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/french-cranks.html#cotters</A> <BR>> <BR>> Sheldon "Weird Stuff" Brown <BR>> Newtonville, Massachusetts <BR>> +------------------------------------+ <BR>> | France, France...if not for you, | <BR>> | the world would be alone! | <BR>> | --Victor Hugo | <BR>> +------------------------------------+ <BR>> Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts <BR>> Phone 617-244-9772, 617-244-1040, FAX 617-244-1041 <BR>> <A HREF="http://harriscyclery.com">http://harriscyclery.com</A> <BR>> Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide <BR>> <A HREF="http://captainbike.com">http://captainbike.com</A> <BR>> Useful articles about bicycles and cycling <BR>> <A HREF="http://sheldonbrown.com">http://sheldonbrown.com</A> <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 7 <BR>> To: brianblum@hotmail.com <BR>> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:06:09 -0500 <BR>> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Eugene sloans book / Olmo / <BR>Mystery Frame????????????? <BR>> From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com> <BR>> <BR>> if i recall, it was an atala 101. <BR>> e-RICHIE <BR>> <BR>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:19:40 "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com> writes: <BR>> > I picked up an old repainted bike last night. It had a seat cluster <BR>> > simular <BR>> > to the bike pictured on the back cover of the original "The Complete <BR>> > Book of <BR>> > Bicycling" (it was a blue frame only the rear half shown). The bike <BR>> > I <BR>> > obtained has brazed on cable stops so it has no housing on the top <BR>> > tube. It <BR>> > also has a double slotted BB shell, Campy Dropouts, Short rake fork <BR>> > with a <BR>> > crown profile simular to the Raleigh International with the long <BR>> > middle <BR>> > tougue. Very short lugs sockets hybid head lugs a hybrid of Colnago <BR>> > lugs <BR>> > with extra details (morphing toward Nervex Pro Lugs). I could not <BR>> > resist. It <BR>> > was fitted with non original SR frt and rear derailleurs, record <BR>> > crank, <BR>> > brakes and H/S, Simplex retrofriction levers and jap assorted. 70mm <BR>> > BB <BR>> > fluted chainstays. What could it be? Owner said some had <BR>> > speculated Olmo. <BR>> > And what is the gorgeous Blue bike on The Complete Book of <BR>> > Bicycling? JPEGS <BR>> > WILL eventually come. <BR>> > <BR>> _________________________________________________________________________ <BR>> ____________
<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > _______________________________________________ <BR>> > Classicrendezvous mailing list <BR>> > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> > <A HREF="http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous">http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous</A> <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 8 <BR>> From: "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com> <BR>> To: richardsachs@juno.com <BR>> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:29:44 <BR>> Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Atala <BR>> <BR>> That was my next question, why are there no Atala fans? They were quite <BR>> popular back in the late 60's was the quality not as good as Bianchi? I <BR>> liked the chrome. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----Original Message Follows---- <BR>> From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com> <BR>> To: brianblum@hotmail.com <BR>> CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Eugene sloans book / Olmo / <BR>Mystery <BR>> Frame????????????? <BR>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:06:09 -0500 <BR>> <BR>> if i recall, it was an atala 101. <BR>> e-RICHIE <BR>> <BR>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:19:40 "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com> writes: <BR>> > I picked up an old repainted bike last night. It had a seat cluster <BR>> > simular <BR>> > to the bike pictured on the back cover of the original "The Complete <BR>> > Book of <BR>> > Bicycling" (it was a blue frame only the rear half shown). The bike <BR>> > I <BR>> > obtained has brazed on cable stops so it has no housing on the top <BR>> > tube. It <BR>> > also has a double slotted BB shell, Campy Dropouts, Short rake fork <BR>> > with a <BR>> > crown profile simular to the Raleigh International with the long <BR>> > middle <BR>> > tougue. Very short lugs sockets hybid head lugs a hybrid of Colnago <BR>> > lugs <BR>> > with extra details (morphing toward Nervex Pro Lugs). I could not <BR>> > resist. It <BR>> > was fitted with non original SR frt and rear derailleurs, record <BR>> > crank, <BR>> > brakes and H/S, Simplex retrofriction levers and jap assorted. 70mm <BR>> > BB <BR>> > fluted chainstays. What could it be? Owner said some had <BR>> > speculated Olmo. <BR>> > And what is the gorgeous Blue bike on The Complete Book of <BR>> > Bicycling? JPEGS <BR>> > WILL eventually come. <BR>> > <BR>> _________________________________________________________________________ <BR>> ____________
<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > _______________________________________________ <BR>> > Classicrendezvous mailing list <BR>> > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> > <A HREF="http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous">http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous</A> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>____________________________________________________________________________ <BR>_________
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 9 <BR>> From: Charles Andrews <chasa@classicalradio.org> <BR>> To: "'classicrendezvous@bikelist.org'" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> <BR>> Subject: RE: [Classicrendezvous] More e-bay comments <BR>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:52:51 -0800 <BR>> <BR>> Can someone tell us what the factory-specified maximum-tooth-count for the <BR>> rear cog is for the Superbe? <BR>> <BR>> Thanks. <BR>> <BR>> Charles Andrews <BR>> Los Angeles <BR>> <BR>> > -----Original Message----- <BR>> > From: Joseph Bender-Zanoni [<A HREF="mailto:jfbender@umich.edu">mailto:jfbender@umich.edu</A>] <BR>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 12:07 AM <BR>> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> > Subject: [Classicrendezvous] More e-bay comments <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > This first generation Superbe is arguably the finest <BR>> > derailleur ever made. <BR>> > Who says there are no deals out there - $9.95 in pretty good <BR>> > shape. Alloy <BR>> > hanger bolt, slant pantograph, more rugged than a Cyclone and <BR>> > without the <BR>> > pain in the neck cable routing. <BR>> > <BR>> > These are not all that common either. <BR>> > <BR>> <A HREF="http://ebay.com/<blah> <BR>> <BR>> Joe <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________ <BR>> Classicrendezvous mailing list <BR>> Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> <A HREF="http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous">http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous</A> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________ <BR>> Classicrendezvous mailing list <BR>> Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> <A HREF="http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous">http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous</A> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 10 <BR>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:35:08 -0500 <BR>> From: Jerry Moos <moos@penn.com> <BR>> To: OROBOYZ@aol.com <BR>> CC: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] More fun pics... NOT for sale! <BR>> <BR>> Incoming restorations? Why would these need restoration? <BR>> <BR>> Regards, <BR>> <BR>> Jerry Moos <BR>> <BR>> OROBOYZ@aol.com wrote: <BR>> <BR>> > Three beauties came in the same afternoon. Shown sitting so cool on the <BR>CDO <BR>> > counter...Joy joy! <BR>> > <BR>> > <A HREF="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1273125&a=10218875">http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1273125&a=10218875</A> <BR>> > <BR>> > "Why, Thanks for looking" (Arggh! I hate that, don't you?) <BR>> > <BR>> > Dale Brown <BR>> > <BR>> > _______________________________________________ <BR>> > Classicrendezvous mailing list <BR>> > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> > <A HREF="http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous">http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous</A> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- <BR>> multipart/alternative <BR>> text/plain (text body -- kept) <BR>> text/html <BR>> --- <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 11 <BR>> From: "Charles T. Young" <youngc@netreach.net> <BR>> To: "Classicrendezvous" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> <BR>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:30:35 -0500 <BR>> Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Straightening bent chainrings (again) <BR>> <BR>> Folks: <BR>> <BR>> I apparently deleted the advice given recently on how to straighten bent = <BR>> chainrings. I've a recently acquired Italvega with a Stronglight 49D = <BR>> crankset. I'd like to take a shot at straightening the chainrings before = <BR>> looking for replacements. I'd appreciate it if someone could forward the = <BR>> tips previously provided. Off list is fine. <BR>> <BR>> Thanks, <BR>> <BR>> Charlie (in rainy weather with a bit of late season lightning) West = <BR>> Chester, PA <BR>> <BR>> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- <BR>> multipart/alternative <BR>> text/plain (text body -- kept) <BR>> text/html <BR>> --- <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 12 <BR>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:43:34 -0700 <BR>> From: PeterGrenader <peterg@ixpres.com> <BR>> To: brian blum <brianblum@hotmail.com> <BR>> CC: richardsachs@juno.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Atala <BR>> <BR>> I liked the head angle - 75 DEGREES, bay-bay <BR>> <BR>> peter <BR>> LA <BR>> <BR>> brian blum wrote: <BR>> <BR>> > That was my next question, why are there no Atala fans? They were quite <BR>> > popular back in the late 60's was the quality not as good as Bianchi? I <BR>> > liked the chrome. <BR>> > <BR>> > ----Original Message Follows---- <BR>> > From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com> <BR>> > To: brianblum@hotmail.com <BR>> > CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> > Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Eugene sloans book / Olmo / <BR>Mystery <BR>> > Frame????????????? <BR>> > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:06:09 -0500 <BR>> > <BR>> > if i recall, it was an atala 101. <BR>> > e-RICHIE <BR>> > <BR>> > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:19:40 "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com> <BR>writes: <BR>> > > I picked up an old repainted bike last night. It had a seat cluster <BR>> > > simular <BR>> > > to the bike pictured on the back cover of the original "The Complete <BR>> > > Book of <BR>> > > Bicycling" (it was a blue frame only the rear half shown). The bike <BR>> > > I <BR>> > > obtained has brazed on cable stops so it has no housing on the top <BR>> > > tube. It <BR>> > > also has a double slotted BB shell, Campy Dropouts, Short rake fork <BR>> > > with a <BR>> > > crown profile simular to the Raleigh International with the long <BR>> > > middle <BR>> > > tougue. Very short lugs sockets hybid head lugs a hybrid of Colnago <BR>> > > lugs <BR>> > > with extra details (morphing toward Nervex Pro Lugs). I could not <BR>> > > resist. It <BR>> > > was fitted with non original SR frt and rear derailleurs, record <BR>> > > crank, <BR>> > > brakes and H/S, Simplex retrofriction levers and jap assorted. 70mm <BR>> > > BB <BR>> > > fluted chainstays. What could it be? Owner said some had <BR>> > > speculated Olmo. <BR>> > > And what is the gorgeous Blue bike on The Complete Book of <BR>> > > Bicycling? JPEGS <BR>> > > WILL eventually come. <BR>> > > <BR>> > <BR>_________________________________________________________________________ <BR>> > ____________
<BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > _______________________________________________ <BR>> > > Classicrendezvous mailing list <BR>> > > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> > > <A HREF="http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous">http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous</A> <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>____________________________________________________________________________ <BR>_________
<BR>> > <BR>> > _______________________________________________ <BR>> > Classicrendezvous mailing list <BR>> > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> > <A HREF="http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous">http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous</A> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 13 <BR>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:40:34 -0800 <BR>> To: "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com>, richardsachs@juno.com <BR>> From: Joseph Bender-Zanoni <jfbender@umich.edu> <BR>> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Atala <BR>> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> <BR>> I think top level Atalas and Bottechias were OK bikes but I remember <BR>> swearing over the low line bikes with things like chainlines from hell <BR>that <BR>> would throw chains with any possible adjustment. My first impressions of <BR>> lower line Italian bikes came from these and I summarized the attitude as <BR>> "if you can't afford a good bike then go to hell". <BR>> <BR>> The concept from trademark law is tarnishment. Basically they tarnished <BR>> their own brand because of the quality spread across the line of bikes. <BR>> <BR>> Even worse was Chiorda. I have never heard of a Chiorda fan but the top <BR>> bike was all Campy etc. <BR>> <BR>> Joe Bender-Zanoni <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> At 10:29 PM 11/29/00, brian blum wrote: <BR>> >That was my next question, why are there no Atala fans? They were quite <BR>> >popular back in the late 60's was the quality not as good as Bianchi? I <BR>> >liked the chrome. <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> >----Original Message Follows---- <BR>> >From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com> <BR>> >To: brianblum@hotmail.com <BR>> >CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> >Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Eugene sloans book / Olmo / <BR>Mystery <BR>> > Frame????????????? <BR>> >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:06:09 -0500 <BR>> > <BR>> >if i recall, it was an atala 101. <BR>> >e-RICHIE <BR>> > <BR>> >On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:19:40 "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com> writes: <BR>> > > I picked up an old repainted bike last night. It had a seat cluster <BR>> > > simular <BR>> > > to the bike pictured on the back cover of the original "The Complete <BR>> > > Book of <BR>> > > Bicycling" (it was a blue frame only the rear half shown). The bike <BR>> > > I <BR>> > > obtained has brazed on cable stops so it has no housing on the top <BR>> > > tube. It <BR>> > > also has a double slotted BB shell, Campy Dropouts, Short rake fork <BR>> > > with a <BR>> > > crown profile simular to the Raleigh International with the long <BR>> > > middle <BR>> > > tougue. Very short lugs sockets hybid head lugs a hybrid of Colnago <BR>> > > lugs <BR>> > > with extra details (morphing toward Nervex Pro Lugs). I could not <BR>> > > resist. It <BR>> > > was fitted with non original SR frt and rear derailleurs, record <BR>> > > crank, <BR>> > > brakes and H/S, Simplex retrofriction levers and jap assorted. 70mm <BR>> > > BB <BR>> > > fluted chainstays. What could it be? Owner said some had <BR>> > > speculated Olmo. <BR>> > > And what is the gorgeous Blue bike on The Complete Book of <BR>> > > Bicycling? JPEGS <BR>> > > WILL eventually come. <BR>> > > <BR>> >_________________________________________________________________________ <BR>> >____________
<BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > _______________________________________________ <BR>> > > Classicrendezvous mailing list <BR>> > > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> > > <A HREF="http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous">http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous</A> <BR>> > <BR>> <BR>>___________________________________________________________________________ <BR>> __________
<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> >_______________________________________________ <BR>> >Classicrendezvous mailing list <BR>> >Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> ><A HREF="http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous">http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous</A> <BR>> > <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 14 <BR>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:47:22 -0800 <BR>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> From: Joseph Bender-Zanoni <jfbender@umich.edu> <BR>> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] BSA jamming tool <BR>> <20001128.154149.-190351.5.richardsachs@juno.com> <BR>> <BR>> The seller from New Zealand has a second BSA jamming tool if anyone wants <BR>> one. Figure $10 shipped. <BR>> <BR>> Joe <BR>> <BR>> At 09:19 PM 3/28/00 -0800, Joseph Bender-Zanoni wrote: <BR>> >I was really pleased to get this BSA "spanner", AKA jamming tool, for <BR>> >madisons and six-days. <BR>> <BR>><A HREF="http://ebay.com/<blah> <BR>58 <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 15 <BR>> From: "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com> <BR>> To: jfbender@umich.edu <BR>> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Atala <BR>> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:11:34 <BR>> <BR>> Actually I have a fully Campagnolo Chiorda that is a very nice riding and <BR>> well put together bike. Somehow the Paramounts survived the Continentals <BR>and <BR>> Varsities that was probably 90% of there sales volume for Schwinn in the <BR>> early 70's???? BrIANCHIlly in Berkeley <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----Original Message Follows---- <BR>> From: Joseph Bender-Zanoni <jfbender@umich.edu> <BR>> To: "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com>, richardsachs@juno.com <BR>> CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Atala <BR>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:40:34 -0800 <BR>> <BR>> I think top level Atalas and Bottechias were OK bikes but I remember <BR>> swearing over the low line bikes with things like chainlines from hell <BR>that <BR>> would throw chains with any possible adjustment. My first impressions of <BR>> lower line Italian bikes came from these and I summarized the attitude as <BR>> "if you can't afford a good bike then go to hell". <BR>> <BR>> The concept from trademark law is tarnishment. Basically they tarnished <BR>> their own brand because of the quality spread across the line of bikes. <BR>> <BR>> Even worse was Chiorda. I have never heard of a Chiorda fan but the top <BR>> bike was all Campy etc. <BR>> <BR>> Joe Bender-Zanoni <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> At 10:29 PM 11/29/00, brian blum wrote: <BR>> >That was my next question, why are there no Atala fans? They were quite <BR>> >popular back in the late 60's was the quality not as good as Bianchi? I <BR>> >liked the chrome. <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> >----Original Message Follows---- <BR>> >From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com> <BR>> >To: brianblum@hotmail.com <BR>> >CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> >Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Eugene sloans book / Olmo / <BR>> Mystery <BR>> > Frame????????????? <BR>> >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:06:09 -0500 <BR>> > <BR>> >if i recall, it was an atala 101. <BR>> >e-RICHIE <BR>> > <BR>> >On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:19:40 "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com> <BR>writes: <BR>> > > I picked up an old repainted bike last night. It had a seat cluster <BR>> > > simular <BR>> > > to the bike pictured on the back cover of the original "The Complete <BR>> > > Book of <BR>> > > Bicycling" (it was a blue frame only the rear half shown). The bike <BR>> > > I <BR>> > > obtained has brazed on cable stops so it has no housing on the top <BR>> > > tube. It <BR>> > > also has a double slotted BB shell, Campy Dropouts, Short rake fork <BR>> > > with a <BR>> > > crown profile simular to the Raleigh International with the long <BR>> > > middle <BR>> > > tougue. Very short lugs sockets hybid head lugs a hybrid of Colnago <BR>> > > lugs <BR>> > > with extra details (morphing toward Nervex Pro Lugs). I could not <BR>> > > resist. It <BR>> > > was fitted with non original SR frt and rear derailleurs, record <BR>> > > crank, <BR>> > > brakes and H/S, Simplex retrofriction levers and jap assorted. 70mm <BR>> > > BB <BR>> > > fluted chainstays. What could it be? Owner said some had <BR>> > > speculated Olmo. <BR>> > > And what is the gorgeous Blue bike on The Complete Book of <BR>> > > Bicycling? JPEGS <BR>> > > WILL eventually come. <BR>> > > <BR>> <BR>>_________________________________________________________________________ <BR>> >____________
<BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > _______________________________________________ <BR>> > > Classicrendezvous mailing list <BR>> > > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> > > <A HREF="http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous">http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous</A> <BR>> > <BR>> <BR>>___________________________________________________________________________ <BR>> __________
<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> >_______________________________________________ <BR>> >Classicrendezvous mailing list <BR>> >Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> ><A HREF="http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous">http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous</A> <BR>> > <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>____________________________________________________________________________ <BR>_________
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 16 <BR>> From: Philcycles@aol.com <BR>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:12:53 EST <BR>> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> Subject: [Classicrendezvous] St. Louis area shop <BR>> <BR>> Some weeks ago there was mention of an excellent shop in the St. Louis <BR>area, <BR>> perhaps a Mercian importer. Could someone email me with the name? <BR>> Phil Brown <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 17 <BR>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:24:22 -0800 <BR>> To: "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com> <BR>> From: Joseph Bender-Zanoni <jfbender@umich.edu> <BR>> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Atala and "Schwinn Approved" plus <BR>> commercial <BR>> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> <BR>> Ah but a Varsity is a wonderful thing in terms of quality. Consistent, <BR>> reliable. It worked. See Sheldon's site about the electroformed frame <BR>> process. The consistency of the Schwinn product and what it stood for <BR>> across the line is remarkable. <BR>> <BR>> My point about the Chiorda is that you have the good one and it is fine, <BR>> but the lesser bikes were painful and they hurt their image. <BR>> <BR>> And now a special "Schwinn Approved" offering. Toe straps. White. NOS <BR>(some <BR>> have a little rust on the buckles. Made in Italy. Schwinn Sprint $2. <BR>> Schwinn Approved $4. Plus shipping ($1-$3.20). Delivery may slide to <BR>January. <BR>> <BR>> Joe <BR>> <BR>> At 12:11 AM 11/30/00, brian blum wrote: <BR>> >Actually I have a fully Campagnolo Chiorda that is a very nice riding and <BR>> >well put together bike. Somehow the Paramounts survived the Continentals <BR>and <BR>> >Varsities that was probably 90% of there sales volume for Schwinn in the <BR>> >early 70's???? BrIANCHIlly in Berkeley <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> >----Original Message Follows---- <BR>> >From: Joseph Bender-Zanoni <jfbender@umich.edu> <BR>> >To: "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com>, richardsachs@juno.com <BR>> >CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> >Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Atala <BR>> >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:40:34 -0800 <BR>> > <BR>> >I think top level Atalas and Bottechias were OK bikes but I remember <BR>> >swearing over the low line bikes with things like chainlines from hell <BR>that <BR>> >would throw chains with any possible adjustment. My first impressions of <BR>> >lower line Italian bikes came from these and I summarized the attitude as <BR>> >"if you can't afford a good bike then go to hell". <BR>> > <BR>> >The concept from trademark law is tarnishment. Basically they tarnished <BR>> >their own brand because of the quality spread across the line of bikes. <BR>> > <BR>> >Even worse was Chiorda. I have never heard of a Chiorda fan but the top <BR>> >bike was all Campy etc. <BR>> > <BR>> >Joe Bender-Zanoni <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> >At 10:29 PM 11/29/00, brian blum wrote: <BR>> > >That was my next question, why are there no Atala fans? They were quite <BR>> > >popular back in the late 60's was the quality not as good as Bianchi? I <BR>> > >liked the chrome. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > >----Original Message Follows---- <BR>> > >From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com> <BR>> > >To: brianblum@hotmail.com <BR>> > >CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <BR>> > >Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Eugene sloans book / Olmo / <BR>> >Mystery <BR>> > > Frame????????????? <BR>> > >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:06:09 -0500 <BR>> > > <BR>> > >if i recall, it was an atala 101. <BR>> > >e-RICHIE <BR>> > > <BR>> > >On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:19:40 "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com> <BR>writes: <BR>> > > > I picked up an old repainted bike last night. It had a seat cluster <BR>> > > > simular <BR>> > > > to the bike pictured on the back cover of the original "The Complete <BR>> > > > Book of <BR>> > > > Bicycling" (it was a blue frame only the rear half shown). The bike <BR>> > > > I <BR>> > > > obtained has brazed on cable stops so it has no housing on the top <BR>> > > > tube. It <BR>> > > > also has a double slotted BB shell, Campy Dropouts, Short rake fork <BR>> > > > with a <BR>> > > > crown profile simular to the Raleigh International with the long <BR>> > > > middle <BR>> > > > tougue. Very short lugs sockets hybid head lugs a hybrid of Colnago <BR>> > > > lugs <BR>> > > > with extra details (morphing toward Nervex Pro Lugs). I could not <BR>> > > > resist. It <BR>> > > > was fitted with non original SR frt and rear derailleurs, record <BR>> > > > crank, <BR>> > > > brakes and H/S, Simplex retrofriction levers and jap assorted. 70mm <BR>> > > > BB <BR>> > > > fluted chainstays. What could it be? Owner said some had <BR>> > > > speculated Olmo. <BR>> > > > And what is the gorgeous Blue bike on The Complete Book of <BR>> > > > Bicycling? JPEGS <BR>> > > > WILL eventually come. <BR>> > > > <BR>> > <BR>>_________________________________________________________________________ <BR>> > >____________
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